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	<title>Comments on: The Child Support Trap – Rewarding Paternity Fraud?</title>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard S v Lillian S is a paternity fraud case on appeal to NY&#039;s highest court (NY Court of Appeals). It is a case of first impression in NY and oral argument is expected in March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard S v Lillian S is a paternity fraud case on appeal to NY&#8217;s highest court (NY Court of Appeals). It is a case of first impression in NY and oral argument is expected in March.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilia Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rick, 

Paternity testing all children at birth might not worth it because the fact that at most 4% of men are not the genetic fathers of the children they are raising would not justify the huge of testing.  Rather, in my essay &quot;Fatherhood Rescinded&quot; (on this site) that men who discover they are not the fathers of their &quot;children&quot; should be absolved of any duty to financially support them unless they requested to do so themselves.

Emilia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rick, </p>
<p>Paternity testing all children at birth might not worth it because the fact that at most 4% of men are not the genetic fathers of the children they are raising would not justify the huge of testing.  Rather, in my essay &#8220;Fatherhood Rescinded&#8221; (on this site) that men who discover they are not the fathers of their &#8220;children&#8221; should be absolved of any duty to financially support them unless they requested to do so themselves.</p>
<p>Emilia</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paternity fraud where a man is forced under the threat of incarceration by a judge to pay for a child that is not his is just a continuation of the theme of &quot;women having rights and men having responsibilities&quot;. I believe that all children should by law have DNA tests at birth and paternity should be established at that time. This would simply eliminate paternity fraud and give husbands, boyfriends or whatever the opportunity to make an informed choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paternity fraud where a man is forced under the threat of incarceration by a judge to pay for a child that is not his is just a continuation of the theme of &#8220;women having rights and men having responsibilities&#8221;. I believe that all children should by law have DNA tests at birth and paternity should be established at that time. This would simply eliminate paternity fraud and give husbands, boyfriends or whatever the opportunity to make an informed choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Miskulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Miskulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for not continuing straight away with my comment but I fell from my chair loughing at comment that courts and system are generaly doing everything &quot;in the best interest of the child&quot;. Question for the person who put that up:

how much do you pay your shrink?

I&#039;d ask for money back.

&quot;family&quot; courts are nothing but the front for criminal fraternity of divorce industry specialising in asset stripping and destruction of family. Contact with the child/ren even though is proven beyond any doubt that it is the most beneficial influence for child development and safety in child&#039;s life, is more often than not railroaded by the mother and even when court orders are flaunted there are no reprisals. Invented allegations of abuse, fear and lot more are also used with impunity as delaying tactics in denial of contact. In many cases, without any evidence of father ever doing anything wrong, contact is granted only for couple of hours - supervised. What do you think that must seem like to the children? all the denigration of their father they hear &quot;at home&quot; must be true if system is so worried about their safety. Right?
Wake up to the truth people. You are not mushrooms so don&#039;t let powers that be feed you bullshit.
I have not seen my children for almost nine years now. not because I do not want to but because of the corrupt system. I have been on 63 day hunger strike to highlight the problen and there is a gagging order issued against me telling the truth. And, for last six years I live in exile, because my life was threatened in UK. Google me.

Len Miskulin
Chairman
Live Beat Dads UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for not continuing straight away with my comment but I fell from my chair loughing at comment that courts and system are generaly doing everything &#8220;in the best interest of the child&#8221;. Question for the person who put that up:</p>
<p>how much do you pay your shrink?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask for money back.</p>
<p>&#8220;family&#8221; courts are nothing but the front for criminal fraternity of divorce industry specialising in asset stripping and destruction of family. Contact with the child/ren even though is proven beyond any doubt that it is the most beneficial influence for child development and safety in child&#8217;s life, is more often than not railroaded by the mother and even when court orders are flaunted there are no reprisals. Invented allegations of abuse, fear and lot more are also used with impunity as delaying tactics in denial of contact. In many cases, without any evidence of father ever doing anything wrong, contact is granted only for couple of hours &#8211; supervised. What do you think that must seem like to the children? all the denigration of their father they hear &#8220;at home&#8221; must be true if system is so worried about their safety. Right?<br />
Wake up to the truth people. You are not mushrooms so don&#8217;t let powers that be feed you bullshit.<br />
I have not seen my children for almost nine years now. not because I do not want to but because of the corrupt system. I have been on 63 day hunger strike to highlight the problen and there is a gagging order issued against me telling the truth. And, for last six years I live in exile, because my life was threatened in UK. Google me.</p>
<p>Len Miskulin<br />
Chairman<br />
Live Beat Dads UK</p>
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		<title>By: Len Miskulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Miskulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paternity fraud has much father reaching damage and consequences than just the question of being biological parent or not. It is criminal act of deliberate deceit for financial gain amongst other. However, it goes much further. Crime is perpetrated not just against duped &quot;father&quot; but also against own children through denial of their right to know their real parent and possibly even endangering their health through lying about their true genetic origin. Add to this psychological and emotional damage to a child upon discovering that mother was lying and depriving him/her of a true parent and child&#039;s sense of lesser self worth as the result which can all lead to all sorts of problems in later life, occasionally even to suicide.

Argument that duped man should just grin and bear it and keep being financial slave to, as is usual in most cases, not financially support children but keep the slut in &quot;life style she is acustomed to&quot;, is the very pointer to most of the wrongs in our society. You ladies and gentlemen daily walk on the roads. OK, so you enjoyed years of using one particular walk and then you are told that you are prohibited using it BUT you must fully mantain the cost of upkeep. Would you not complain? Most of the cases challenging paternity are beyond &quot;father&quot; and child bond issue because mother has already done everything possible to destroy that bond by  denying contact (even when approved by the courts) and alienating the child. All she is really interested in is his money. 

It goes further still. If the man was sole provider and she was kept woman, having child/ren by somebody else is act of fraudulent entrapment through deceit. He might have, if it was not for her deceit, left her and spent his money to better his own life. However you look at it she is a liar, fraudster and freeloader.
 
Man who is paying child support gets remarried and has his own children. His children suffer financially because quite a part of his earnings go to the Cuckoo and her kids. Therefore his is bound to years of involuntary servitude (slavery) which affects him and his family.

DNA testing at birth would eliminate most of the probelms but there must also be opportunity for restitution and punisment which will fit the crime. Anything else is just encouraging further deceit and destruction of innocent children and men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paternity fraud has much father reaching damage and consequences than just the question of being biological parent or not. It is criminal act of deliberate deceit for financial gain amongst other. However, it goes much further. Crime is perpetrated not just against duped &#8220;father&#8221; but also against own children through denial of their right to know their real parent and possibly even endangering their health through lying about their true genetic origin. Add to this psychological and emotional damage to a child upon discovering that mother was lying and depriving him/her of a true parent and child&#8217;s sense of lesser self worth as the result which can all lead to all sorts of problems in later life, occasionally even to suicide.</p>
<p>Argument that duped man should just grin and bear it and keep being financial slave to, as is usual in most cases, not financially support children but keep the slut in &#8220;life style she is acustomed to&#8221;, is the very pointer to most of the wrongs in our society. You ladies and gentlemen daily walk on the roads. OK, so you enjoyed years of using one particular walk and then you are told that you are prohibited using it BUT you must fully mantain the cost of upkeep. Would you not complain? Most of the cases challenging paternity are beyond &#8220;father&#8221; and child bond issue because mother has already done everything possible to destroy that bond by  denying contact (even when approved by the courts) and alienating the child. All she is really interested in is his money. </p>
<p>It goes further still. If the man was sole provider and she was kept woman, having child/ren by somebody else is act of fraudulent entrapment through deceit. He might have, if it was not for her deceit, left her and spent his money to better his own life. However you look at it she is a liar, fraudster and freeloader.</p>
<p>Man who is paying child support gets remarried and has his own children. His children suffer financially because quite a part of his earnings go to the Cuckoo and her kids. Therefore his is bound to years of involuntary servitude (slavery) which affects him and his family.</p>
<p>DNA testing at birth would eliminate most of the probelms but there must also be opportunity for restitution and punisment which will fit the crime. Anything else is just encouraging further deceit and destruction of innocent children and men.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole argument is stupid!  It is realy quite simple.  Men should not have to pay for kids that arent theirs and should be alowed to take a paternity test and disavow themselves of all responsibility at any time if it is discovered that they are not the father.  This isn&#039;t just individual women who are doing this to innocent men but society as a whole that are shafting men.  This is basicaly not seeing men as human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole argument is stupid!  It is realy quite simple.  Men should not have to pay for kids that arent theirs and should be alowed to take a paternity test and disavow themselves of all responsibility at any time if it is discovered that they are not the father.  This isn&#8217;t just individual women who are doing this to innocent men but society as a whole that are shafting men.  This is basicaly not seeing men as human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: DNA_Paternity</title>
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		<dc:creator>DNA_Paternity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is insane, but this is the world that we live in.  

First, where are the morals at with these woman.  If you were stupid enough to spread your legs and not use protection, you should have at least had enough marbles to not bring a child into this world that you dont know who the father is.  The real key is to stop sleeping around.  Men have been sleeping around for years and what are you gonna do, nothing.  Woman have taken on more and more of the man&#039;s roles and I guess sleeping around was naturally going to come up.

Second, if you have raised a child for the majority of their childhood and then find out that it is not your child, I can understand how frustrating that would be.  If you have raised a child for 10 plus years, how could you willingly turn your back on that child... no matter what.  At that point you have already developed a bond.  It is irresponsible on the fathers part to walk away.  Two wrongs dont make a right... never have... never will.  It is not the child&#039;s fault that their mom was sleeping around.  As a father, biological or not, dont make that child another statistic of a fatherless child when you have been the father for thier life up to that point.

I dont agree that the father should have to legally support a child that is not his, but morally stand up.  If the father had an idea years earlier, he should have acted on it and had a paternity test done then.  You would have avoided a lot of mess.

The other option is to move to Tennesee where they are trying to pass a law that every child born has to have a paternity test done before any man can be listed on the birth certificate.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is insane, but this is the world that we live in.  </p>
<p>First, where are the morals at with these woman.  If you were stupid enough to spread your legs and not use protection, you should have at least had enough marbles to not bring a child into this world that you dont know who the father is.  The real key is to stop sleeping around.  Men have been sleeping around for years and what are you gonna do, nothing.  Woman have taken on more and more of the man&#8217;s roles and I guess sleeping around was naturally going to come up.</p>
<p>Second, if you have raised a child for the majority of their childhood and then find out that it is not your child, I can understand how frustrating that would be.  If you have raised a child for 10 plus years, how could you willingly turn your back on that child&#8230; no matter what.  At that point you have already developed a bond.  It is irresponsible on the fathers part to walk away.  Two wrongs dont make a right&#8230; never have&#8230; never will.  It is not the child&#8217;s fault that their mom was sleeping around.  As a father, biological or not, dont make that child another statistic of a fatherless child when you have been the father for thier life up to that point.</p>
<p>I dont agree that the father should have to legally support a child that is not his, but morally stand up.  If the father had an idea years earlier, he should have acted on it and had a paternity test done then.  You would have avoided a lot of mess.</p>
<p>The other option is to move to Tennesee where they are trying to pass a law that every child born has to have a paternity test done before any man can be listed on the birth certificate.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Dolores</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband thought he was doing the &quot;right thing&quot; when he agreed to pay child support for a child that is not his. There was no question of paternity, the biological father was taken to court the same day, along with a third man for a second child. This woman knew what she was doing! Now with the economy the way it is, we face losing our home, and vehicles because the woman is making waves at the Family Responsibility office. They basically threatened to send your name into the Credit Bureau, and repossess your assets in order to pay the child support. In our late 50&#039;s we are panicking about retirement, and our weekly floundering bank accounts! So much for thinking you may be doing some good in this world. My husband has not seen nor had contact with the child in over 2 years....can&#039;t afford to hire a lawyer to fight to have the Court Order reversed and we wouldn&#039;t win anyways, cause they do the best for the child. Meanwhile the mother gets 2 child supports, income from a property she owns and lives common-law so that that poor sucker pays the bills....There is no justice in our society. The good guy always gets @#$^% on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband thought he was doing the &#8220;right thing&#8221; when he agreed to pay child support for a child that is not his. There was no question of paternity, the biological father was taken to court the same day, along with a third man for a second child. This woman knew what she was doing! Now with the economy the way it is, we face losing our home, and vehicles because the woman is making waves at the Family Responsibility office. They basically threatened to send your name into the Credit Bureau, and repossess your assets in order to pay the child support. In our late 50&#8217;s we are panicking about retirement, and our weekly floundering bank accounts! So much for thinking you may be doing some good in this world. My husband has not seen nor had contact with the child in over 2 years&#8230;.can&#8217;t afford to hire a lawyer to fight to have the Court Order reversed and we wouldn&#8217;t win anyways, cause they do the best for the child. Meanwhile the mother gets 2 child supports, income from a property she owns and lives common-law so that that poor sucker pays the bills&#8230;.There is no justice in our society. The good guy always gets @#$^% on.</p>
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