Comments on: Traces of Africa: My Visit to Cartagena http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/ Dissecting What You Choose to Ignore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Emilia Liz http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40129 Emilia Liz Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:38:14 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40129 Thank you for the comments. Most of the Black population in Colombia and other South American countries live along the coast - the Atlantic coast, in the case of Brazil, the northern in the case of Colombia and Venuzuela and the west coast in the case of Peru and Ecuador. On the other hands there are fewer blacks in the interior of these countries, though some from the coastal areas have migrated to cities like Bogota and Medellin for work. Indians in many cases were not legally enslaved in Latin America. Rather they were put to work on "encomiendas," which were like plantations. Their position was similar to that of "serfs" in Europe in the Middle Ages. Legally they were not slaves, but for all intents and purposes they were unlikely to ever leave the place in which they were born. On the other hand, a child born to a Black father but an Indian mother would inherit his mother's status, so he or she would most likely be a "serf" as opposed to a slave. Thank you for the comments. Most of the Black population in Colombia and other South American countries live along the coast - the Atlantic coast, in the case of Brazil, the northern in the case of Colombia and Venuzuela and the west coast in the case of Peru and Ecuador. On the other hands there are fewer blacks in the interior of these countries, though some from the coastal areas have migrated to cities like Bogota and Medellin for work.

Indians in many cases were not legally enslaved in Latin America. Rather they were put to work on “encomiendas,” which were like plantations. Their position was similar to that of “serfs” in Europe in the Middle Ages. Legally they were not slaves, but for all intents and purposes they were unlikely to ever leave the place in which they were born.

On the other hand, a child born to a Black father but an Indian mother would inherit his mother’s status, so he or she would most likely be a “serf” as opposed to a slave.

]]> By: tebitt henry http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40059 tebitt henry Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:21:31 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40059 I made a mistake on my email: luckyhendry@yahoo.fr I made a mistake on my email: luckyhendry@yahoo.fr ]]> By: tebitt henry http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40058 tebitt henry Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:19:02 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-40058 this is a very interesting article as it has given me some idea about the life of black people in Colombia. I really did not know - until a few weeks ago when I read this article- that there was a Black population out there. This has made to do some research on Colombia and I am thinking about going there someday. So I want to thank you for your post and I hope that you are going to come up with many more like this one. Do you really think that black men paired up with Indian women because they wanted their children to be born out of slavery? If that was the sole reason there wouldn't be any real black looking person in Colombia today. I think they were simply attracted to each other; that is how i see it. I have notes here that tell me that Indians were enslaved as well so I really what kind of freedom a half breed Indian could have at that time. Nevertheless I want to thank you for the post and would appreciate anything from you that deals with race and Africa. this is a very interesting article as it has given me some idea about the life of black people in Colombia. I really did not know - until a few weeks ago when I read this article- that there was a Black population out there. This has made to do some research on Colombia and I am thinking about going there someday. So I want to thank you for your post and I hope that you are going to come up with many more like this one. Do you really think that black men paired up with Indian women because they wanted their children to be born out of slavery? If that was the sole reason there wouldn’t be any real black looking person in Colombia today. I think they were simply attracted to each other; that is how i see it. I have notes here that tell me that Indians were enslaved as well so I really what kind of freedom a half breed Indian could have at that time. Nevertheless I want to thank you for the post and would appreciate anything from you that deals with race and Africa. ]]> By: Emilia Liz http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-38037 Emilia Liz Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:53:27 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-38037 Dear Chibcha, I did not say that Indians in Colombia had vanished, only that about 2% of the Colombian population consists of Indians who practise their traditional lifestyle. Of course there are many other people in Colombia - the majority - who have partial Indian ancestry, but they are completely Westernized and almost never consider themselves Indian. There are some who still follow an Indian lifestyle, i.e. speak an Indian language, perhaps adhere formally to Christianity but practise some native religious customs. But these are, as mentioned above, a small percentage of Colombia's population. Emilia Dear Chibcha,

I did not say that Indians in Colombia had vanished, only that about 2% of the Colombian population consists of Indians who practise their traditional lifestyle. Of course there are many other people in Colombia - the majority - who have partial Indian ancestry, but they are completely Westernized and almost never consider themselves Indian. There are some who still follow an Indian lifestyle, i.e. speak an Indian language, perhaps adhere formally to Christianity but practise some native religious customs. But these are, as mentioned above, a small percentage of Colombia’s population.

Emilia

]]> By: Chibcha http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-38018 Chibcha Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:48:00 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-38018 Hi ya'll ! it's a lot of bullshit the dude who wrote this article that indians in colombia have vanished, it so happens that i am a part of the indian population, i am indigenous! my parents always made me aware of my indian heritage, i live in the u.s.a. most people think i'm an indian chick from the u.s.a. i live in florida, i work with the seminole indians, and i'm proud of hell of it! at the pow-wow, my friend who is seminole indian is lucky as hell to have me to work with her, many people who work with seminole indians are not indian, wherever i go when i meet other indians, on the street, the pow-wow, the bus, etc. they ask me about my native heritage. i'm from the chibcha people have a nice day! bye fly! Hi ya’ll !
it’s a lot of bullshit the dude who wrote this article that indians in colombia have vanished,
it so happens that i am a part of the indian population, i am indigenous! my parents always made me aware of
my indian heritage, i live in the u.s.a. most people think i’m an indian chick from the u.s.a.
i live in florida, i work with the seminole indians, and i’m proud of hell of it!
at the pow-wow, my friend who is seminole indian is lucky as hell to have me to work with her, many people who work with seminole indians are not indian,
wherever i go when i meet other indians, on the street, the pow-wow, the bus, etc.
they ask me about my native heritage. i’m from the chibcha people
have a nice day!
bye fly! ]]> By: Emilia Liz http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36076 Emilia Liz Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:35:55 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36076 Sorry, I thought your name connected to a site, but I guess it does not. Sorry, I thought your name connected to a site, but I guess it does not. ]]> By: Emilia Liz http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36074 Emilia Liz Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:31:34 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36074 Dear Chibcha, Yes, I know that there are Indians in Colombia who practise their traditional lifestyle. I suppose that in Colombia, as in other Latin American countries, some people with partial Indian ancestry don't identify as Indians because a.) they have European ancestry as well, and b.) culturally they are completely Westernized. The father of my daughter is one of them. But I would be interested in knowing more about Colombian Natives who practise their traditional lifestyle, so I'll look at your site. Emilia Dear Chibcha,

Yes, I know that there are Indians in Colombia who practise their traditional lifestyle. I suppose that in Colombia, as in other Latin American countries, some people with partial Indian ancestry don’t identify as Indians because a.) they have European ancestry as well, and b.) culturally they are completely Westernized. The father of my daughter is one of them. But I would be interested in knowing more about Colombian Natives who practise their traditional lifestyle, so I’ll look at your site.

Emilia

]]> By: Chibcha http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36016 Chibcha Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:22:22 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/02/06/traces-of-africa-my-visit-to-cartagena/#comment-36016 hi! i know that you are wrong about one thing, colombia's indian people have not vanished, there are still traditional practices, lik the Yagua, tribe, the Kogi tribe, Wayuu tribe, the Nukak-Macu, the Kunas the Guambiano natives, i have known poeple from colombia who have a really good strong indian characteristics and many of them are not proud of it, what a shame! have a nice day! from chibcha hi!
i know that you are wrong about one thing, colombia’s
indian people have not vanished, there are still traditional practices, lik the Yagua, tribe, the Kogi
tribe, Wayuu tribe, the Nukak-Macu, the Kunas
the Guambiano natives, i have known poeple from colombia
who have a really good strong indian characteristics
and many of them are not proud of it, what a shame!
have a nice day!
from chibcha ]]>