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Video released by Canadian authorities of the last moments of a Polish immigrant’s life shows police using a Taser stun gun on him after confronting him at the Vancouver airport.
Robert Dziekanski, 40, of Pieszyce, Poland, arrived at the airport 10 hours earlier on Oct. 14 - his first airplane flight to begin a new life with his mother in western Canada.
Dziekanski, who did not speak English, began acting erratically after not seeing his mother in the baggage area, a secure area she could not enter.
About 25 seconds after police enter the secure area where he is, there is a loud crack that sounds like a Taser shot, followed by Dziekanski screaming and convulsing as he stumbles and falls to the floor.
Another loud crack can be heard as an officer appears to fire one more Taser shot into Dziekanski.
As the officers kneel on top of Dziekanski and handcuff him, he continues to scream and convulse on the floor.
One officer is heard to say, “Hit him again. Hit him again,” and there is another loud cracking sound.
Police have said only two Taser shots were fired, but a witness said she heard up to four Taser shots.
Comment:
It is a apparent (and I mean that in the purest sense of the word) that the police used excess force with little attempt to interact with Dziekanski. However, public attention should be directed toward the airport more so than the cops. It’s a poor commentary that they let a distraught man who was not fortunate enough to speak English/French stew in an airport for 10 hours with NO HELP. Dziekanski’s outbursts seemed to be him doing anything he could just to get someone’s attention. If Vancouver considers itself a world class city then it needs to be a little more responsive to the incoming world. Good luck to the first athlete who gets lost during the 2010 Olympics!
Jason,
From the perspective of Robert Dziekanski, he’s been held hostage for 10 HOURS (!) by an uncaring, foreign-language speaking bureaucracy while his mother is probably worried sick outside. This is simply wrong and he has a right to be pissed off. Tossing a few chairs around is no justification for being brutally murdered (manslaughter is the more precise crime) by a callous quartet of punk cops. The idiots didn’t even read the guy his rights or arrest him. They just killed him when he was clearly no threat to anyone in the vicinity.
His mother should sue the RCMP and the individual officers for wrongful confinement, manslaughter and utter stupidity.
The mother was at the right terminal, at the right place at the right time. Her phone was 4 hours away in Kamloops. Even common sense doesn’t work if you are unable to make contact while 50 feet apart and nobody is willing to help.
Also, how secure do you think this airport is if someone can wander around lost for 10 hours in the “secured area” without anyone taking notice, or finding out what the problem is?
thanks for the common sense, I am so glad that someone else has at least tried to consider this from the other side!! Good for you for speaking your mind, even if your opinion isn’t the one that seems to be most prevelant in the media right now, that takes guts.
Matt,
I’m so glad to see another teenager (i’m 17) who actually cares about what goes on around them, thats awesome. However, I must disagree with you. I have watched people be tasered before (a drug dealer was taken down outside of the mall where I work) and trust me, the police don’t take it lightly. I think the police who tasered Robert Dziekanski were trying to get him down on the ground where they could quickly subdue him without more of a threat being posed to themselves or the public or Robert Dziekanski himself. They couldn’t have known whether or not he was possibly high on drugs, if he was he may have had needles or other potentially lethal objects on him. Robert Dziekanski showed no oppposition to violent behavior (he WAS damaging foreign property and yelling). The police were trying to quickly diffuse a situation the best they could. We all need to have more respect for the men and women of the RCMP who put their lives on the line everyday protecting you, me and everyone else. We owe them so much. If anyone is to blame for the sad death of Robert Dziekanski it is his mother for not giving clearer instructions and the airport staff for not handling the situation better. Thanks for your time! erika
…somehow, I think the point of the discussion was the gross error on the YVR RCMP resulting in a death.
Whether by taser or by knee/choke the point MADE was they screwed up SERIOUS. It results in a death when they make mistakes.
Big responsibility. It takes courage and no lawyers to own up to this gross miscarriage of justice.
THAT is the point of the discussion, not whether or not we need cops or don’t appreciate them.
Stay focused. Someone died because of this.
i don’t think you read all the posts. “It is the time to get rid of the RCMP and consider municipal police force… the RCMP is disgrace to Canada.” and “they are here to kill and murder the civilians.” sounds a lot like hating a group of people who put their lives on the line every day for ALL of us, and not at all like staying focused. its sad (and probably disheartening for those who DO serve and protect) to have a tragedy like this turned into an opportunity to ridicule and hate the RCMP as a whole. Everyone needs to imagine what exactly it would be like to live in this country without the RCMP!! Honestly, this has gotten waay out of hand. The situation ended tragically, but it cannot all be blamed on the RCMP. Its not the police that I am ashamed of, its all the people in this country with fast tempers.
I agree Customs and YVR are at question,
an obvious lack of PR. - however,their docility is not the cause of this manslaughter, that took 4 of our finest.
The reaction of the general public is not driven by this incident alone - there is a trend of in custody deaths - being covered up - where cameras are not rolling.
Indeed, this is off the chart. This gross act blackens the eyes of our RCMP and leaves Canada standing in National shame.
The fast tempers you are opposed to are a mix of fear and accounted for ANGER.
It is scary; it is not gang members dying in custody it is common citizens…Very Scary indeed!
And one informed analysis of the situation was broadcast in Polish on the radio station at the University of Victoria last weekend. It was written by retired economist Kostek Malczyk, who relied on information made public to date, as well as sources who are very familiar with immigration procedures, particularly at Vancouver airport.
Malczyk’s scenario might shed some further light on part of the nine-hour delay that preceded Dziekanski’s apparent emotional breakdown, which in turn led to his fatal arrest.
Malczyk surmised that part of the answer might lie in Dziekanski’s problematic background. He was sentenced to five years in prison for a robbery in his youth and that conviction was on his record. Malczyk said Dziekanski’s application for permanent-resident status was pre-approved by the Canadian Embassy in Poland. Vancouver officials might well have wanted to double-check his approval when he arrived at 4 p.m. But second-guessing their counterparts in Poland was not an easy option, the retired economist suggests. And the time change would have made it after midnight in Poland, so no contact could have been made for several hours.
Which suggests to Malczyk that the man was not wandering aimlessly around the Canadian Border Service-controlled portion of the airport for hours. He might have been held up or detained by the service until the officials could check his approval with Warsaw.
That’s partially contradicted by airport authorities, who have said the man cleared the first stage of customs around 4 p.m. but inexplicably didn’t arrive at the baggage-claim exit until much later, around 10:30 p.m.
They said at that point officials found his bags and brought him to be processed as a landed immigrant.
The lawyer assisting the dead man’s mother has said that his baggage was located in the departures area, suggesting to Malczyk that officials might have been considering shipping him back to Poland.
YVR said it was two hours after Dziekanski got his baggage that he completed the process and exited into the public area.
Malczyk said the fact that took two hours is considered very unusual by people familiar with the process.
What was going on during that interview?
By then the Warsaw office would have been open and Vancouver customs officers might have been double-checking his problematic background with the fact he’d been approved prior to departure.
Canada’s persistent checking of his background might also lie behind the fact Dziekanski changed his mind several times about moving here, right up until two weeks before his flight. He might have been growing frustrated over the concerns being expressed.
Most central to Malczyk’s argument is the fact an interpreter would have been present during that late-night interview.
Which potentially makes the later circumstances even more dismaying. Dziekanski emerged from the interview deeply distraught and acting erratically.
His words caught on the videotape and translated later refer to him wanting to “sue all of you.” That might have been an expression of his frustration over the persistent questions the border service agents had over his admissibility to Canada.
Did an interpreter pack up and go home immediately after Dziekanski was dealt with?
Or was he or she still on hand for those few moments after the interview when he clearly ran off the rails?
Malczyk raises the prospect of the interpreter sitting in an office seconds away when the fateful decision was made to call police, rather than summon the interpreter to try to calm him down.
It’s already been established that his mother had been waiting for hours just a few metres away on the other side of the security barriers. That compounded the horror many people felt after watching video of him later being Tasered by the RCMP, writhing in agony on the floor, and eventually succumbing.
Malczyk is deeply suspicious of the protracted silence from the Canadian Border Service. He said they have decided to live with the one-sided proliferation of misinformation after the death, because the alternative — the truth — is even more embarrassing.
Thankfully, and hopefully, the wait for a possible explanation for at least part of this botched arrival will be a short one.
Minister Day said the internal report by the border agency will be released in a few days.
It will be the first of the several probes underway to report out. It couldn’t come soon enough. If it will come out. The release of the video happened only because Mr. Pridchard went to court. Who is going to act independently enough to asure any unbiased reporting without court action?
Aaron Thu, Nov 22, 07 at 01:07 PM
He was not killed for being a former criminal. It appears that 4 cops did not have that information. He was still killed. So speculating about his past is irrelevant to his death, it only is relevant to him snapping. What followed is our hands doing, not his.
To Aaron:
Hey, Pollyanna,
Your piece:
“Aaron Thu, Nov 22, 07 at 01:07 PM
Your statement: “He was not killed for being a former criminal…” is clearly identifying with the police. Or is it with the CBSA? It was established that those two federal agencies were communicating with each other during the night of Oct. 13 to 14, 2007. It might be just too tricky for them to get rid of the evidence, existing in the cyber space. Shredders are dinosaurs in that regard…
Sometimes it is not a bliss to stay naive, Pollyanna. Especially when somebody is getting away with murder. And thats literally, in case you missed it.
The red-neck stance: Dziekanski’s felon=his death justified, will make those shredders and tape-erasers at the offices of our cherished federal agencies bolder and work faster. Their silence in the past five weeks was deafening and illuminating at the same time. Good luck to you, investigating commissions. All five, six, seven of you? Your work is being cut out for you by the Erikas of this land of plenty. They stand on guard for thee. Please don’t bother to examine those shredders and erasers! They might still be too hot to handle, after all those weeks of creative work of destruction of evidence. While more deaths will be occuring at the hands of our dear guardians.
Give them more power, Erika! Thats exactly what they were giving to the NKVD, NDASP, STASI and every other police force-gone-wrong in history.
“It was their job to protect themselves and the public”. And they still do protect themselves, but at the expense of the public. While the shredders are humming.
Erika, dear, I am not your mother. I cannot teach you what my mother taught me. But would you please ask your mother, if you have one, this question: how to live your life from now on so in a few years they will not be sentencing you for taking the life of “someone with a criminal record”. Because, you see, this is exactly what those four policemen did and you don’t see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
With this pathologically deviant mind at the age of 17, you are well on your way to become a person whom your mother will regret she gave the birth to. God help you, child.
Canada Customs fails on every level and RCMP use their robotic tactics and make all better.
Welcome to Canada 2010 Olympics!
Your first post was quite educational for this YOUNG lady (Erika). You gave her hard facts to consider, even engage an investigation into that information if she chooses.
Your last post, however - add fuel to the fire.
I believe, young Erika, is still feeling out her environment and trying to make sense of the crazy world she lives in.
Not so cut and dry, when I was 17.
Chilliwack man died Friday just after midnight.
The cause of death has yet to be determined.
I suppose there are 3 scenario’s to consider;
- Taser
- Baton beatings to the head
- Combination of both (the confusing one)
Shreddy just “hit” Godwin’s Law, all by himself! Kudos!
ds, you’re missing a few scenarios and some of the ones you’ve listed don’t work. The taser reportedly misfired which destroys two of your scenarios.
Here’s another factoid you may not be aware of… the family released a statement to the media, apologizing to the store employees who called the police because of their son’s erratic, uncontrollable behaviour. Interesting how you didn’t mention that the police says they’ve had violent encounters with this individual before.
Let’s see… pattern of violence with police, family apologizing for his behaviour… what does this suggest?
“The family is shocked and saddened by the recent incident between our son and the Chilliwack RCMP.
We apologize on behalf of our son to the staff of the EZ Rentals for any distress that was caused because of this incident,” the family statement said.
- Shocked and saddened, Not saying they get it/expected it/ agree with RCMP brutality
- apologies to the store for any distress does not state his behaviour at all
A misfired taser - no defense for death
Past history with police does not constitute Death Penalty.
Previous encounters with police have not suggested violence involved.
Your post has construed the facts with your own ideas.
My post is not based on LIES.
At least give proper facts, unlike the ones you made up…Misfired Taser?
Even if that were true…just makes things worse.
Not just thugs, but irresponsible thugs?
I’m so glad to see you and Erika standing on guard. Those boys in red suits need every help they can get. They are so helpless! Can you imagine: they shoot somebody with that useless taser and it only sends the ’subject’ to the ground. They still have to dirty their hands with finishing the guy off. And don’t forget the other babies of ours, the CBSA welcoming committee members. Their job is so thankless: protecting us from all those terrorists every day of the week. And then comes some Polack, with no English but with criminal record. Where do you park the guy and whom do you call, before you decide if he can receive your stamp of approval, allowing him to enter our pristine and safe country? It is so heartfelt to listen (short time ago today) to the president of CBSA, explaining absolutely NOTHING. Mac, do you know why our federal agencies can afford to say nothing about the events leading to the DEATH of a person? Its because they can always count on the support of our responsible, patriotic citizenry. Like yourself.
SL, it’s a shame you’ve lost all confidence in Canadian institutions but that’s your problem, not mine. If you want to blindly ride the roller coast of misinformation which typified the MSM, good luck with it. I’ll pass.
Cynapse, you have some very “interesting” characters hanging around your website. Their rhetoric seems less cynical and more anti-establishment… and the most mature of the lot is a 17 year old. Well done, Erika!
I have to the reasoning that Mac must be a cop!
Only way to explain his LIES and his claim to a taser misfire.
The LIES are the nature of those people.
AND
If misfire is not a right out LIE, must be inside info.
Should be against the rules to have LYING THUGS post here.
Thanks for the support. My point in posting on here was to say that it is wrong to prejudge a situation like this and to immediatley condemn a group of people. What is being done to the RCMP is wrong…and unjust, not to mention completly disrespectful. And, I think making personal attacks against someone because of their view of a situation (example: “With this pathologically deviant mind at the age of 17, you are well on your way to become a person whom your mother will regret she gave the birth to. God help you, child.”)is exactly what went on in the third reich, and in various police states. I AM thinking for myself, I am NOT just believing any of the crap that I hear. Look at the media, they are all condemning the RCMP, or at least giving the people who are a lot of air time. I believe in freedom of opinion and freedom of speech (which we have because of the blood, sweat and tears of the soldiers who gave up their lives for our great nation)…so don’t belittle me for my opinion or my viewpoint, my family members gave up their lives for me to have the right to NOT prejudge this situation or to rush to conclusions. Mac, it seems like we are among the few who still actually believe that ALL groups and people are innocent until proven guilty…sad isn’t it?
Not so sure I would rushing in to thank a person that can’t intelligently put facts together.
It is sad that few Canadians can watch authority over step their power like they cannot be challenged.
But along with their gullible fans they are being challenged
Keep on trucking, you two. Your future looks strong and mighty. Oops, stop it. No Godwin’s Rule allowed.
I also, don’t get it! How anyone, can watch a murder and say there was no murder.
We can be thankful, I suppose, most of us are not blind and know enough to demand government involvement
What can anyone say? You are determined to stand in the light naivety.
Some might be relieved you can’t vote at this time
In Chilliwack,BC a little called the cops on a man she witnessed driving eratically, last week.
The cops pepper sprayed, tasered and applied baton beatings to his head. He died in hospital. Google it..Check it out!
There is no way that woman could have guessed she just submitted a man to the death penalty.
DON’T CALL THE COPS!
I’ve realized that you can’t reason with these misinformed people. So, this will be my last post on here. I think its ironic how the “ds”’s of the world are so passionate about the rights of the individual etc. etc, yet they are so happy to hear that someone who has an opposing viewpoint can’t vote. What does that say?
To anyone else who may read this,
I have personally witnessed the RCMP respond to many situations and provide comfort, relief and stability often at the risk of losing their own lives. They do this thankless job with a great deal of humility and professionalism rarely seen in other professions. I for one, am not going to dismiss them as a group because of some things being said about a few incidents. And please, take the time to examine the evidence and come up with your own opinion instead of listening to arrogant and irate people who obviously have a bone to pick. Thanks to anyone who has taken the time to read my posts,
eriika
Guys like ds like to bleat about rights but they ignore the other side of the coin: responsibilities. Truly, they’re not interested in rights for others; only for themselves. Guys like ds attack authority and anyone who does not condemn authority because they refuse to acknowledge they bear any responsibility for their own actions. Ultimately, authority forces them to do so… and that’s why they hate it.
Why do all of the moonbats out there have such a hard time seeing that the police responded reasonably and without any malicious intent? They did their job. It’s too bad that someone had to die, but go trash an airport in Poland and see what happens.
As for the fellow in Chilliwack who died, what will all of you anti-police, anti-taser wingnuts say if it turns out that it was a baton strike that killed him? Because all of you morons–and Canada’s incredibly left-leaning media–held your vigils and prayers and lamented the use of tasers, you might have contributed to the death of the man in Chilliwack. Perhaps if police had just tasered him, he might still be alive. We’ll never know if the police who responded were too mindful of the anti-taser public mindset, and reached for their batons instead of deploying the taser.
This you can take to the bank: people who are mistrustful of the police are either criminals or people who just haven’t been exposed as a criminal yet. I love the police. They love me, because I don’t break the law. I will never be tasered, because I plan to avoid smashing up airports, driving dangerously, doing cocaine, threatening/assaulting police, etc.
Do not have trepidation about posting here, as it is an open forum. Only abusive/illegal text will be deleted.
PS. Cole, the police loves you too. Its because you are full of the same crap. But how did you manage to screw up that 17-years old so bad? She positively needs help. You are well beyond that.
It’s amazing first of all that only a handful of Canadians couldn’t see anything wrong with police intervention right from their approach.
Customs cleared him, immigration cleared him and the Police found that a previous criminal record with time served in Poland constitutes the death penalty in Canada.
Somehow you managed to turn the Chilliwack incedent into what type of force killed him…Hmmm.
The point is, it’s all excessive force, cops not giving a damn about human life. As we see on the video, they have lost all common sense in keeping the peace, as our yesteryear respectful officers use to do.
When the truth hits you - your lack of logical thinking will prevent you from recognizing it
It takes a moron to make an argument without proper facts. In Chilliwack they did not reach for their baton first, they far too heroic for that. That’s right they pepper sprayed and tasered him first. While blind and layed out on the floor they beat on his head with the baton.
I tend to agree with George and yourself
Let cole wreck his computer - even stupidity doesn’t deserve death at the call of police
Et tu, ds? Wait… you have your “proper” facts from the always accurate media.
That is also what You are running with.
Except the rest of us have seen a live video of a death at the hands of our finest. No-one has to say a word, it’s all there.
The fact that there happens to be a handful of Canadians that refuse to see it as it is, has already been contributed to the fact that they either are cops, related to cops or just too naive to understand.
There are a handful of Canadians who would excuse the RCMP regardless of the circumstances. There are a handful of Canadians who refuse to accept this could be anything else except police malfeasance. The rest of us are somewhere in the middle of these two extremes. I’m not willing to prejudge based on an incomplete account and I expect a great number of mature individuals agree.
There’s less than 10 minutes of video but Dziekanski was at the airport for 11 hours. Does anyone know whether he ate food or drank anything in all that time? It’s been reported Dziekanski was a heavy smoker and drinker who quit the day before he flew to Vancouver. Perhaps the physiological effects of nicotine withdrawal and/or alcohol withdrawal, possibly combined with being dehydrated and fasting might left Dziekanski more venerable to the Taser than the average person.
Whatever his physiological conditions were, the RCMP used what they believed to be a non-lethal weapon and Dziekanski died. That’s a tragedy but it’s not a conspiracy as you’re representing it to be, nor was it police malfeasance.
Tasers have been deployed hundreds of thousands of times without serious injury resulting. I’ve read that cops have to be tasered as part of taser training. Would they allow themselves to be tasered if they thought it would kill them? Numerous journalists have volunteered to be tasered (haven’t you read those articles?) and they’re alive too.
If the Taser is so lethal, why aren’t they all dead, ds?
Where I see the RCMP did something wrong is that they didn’t immediately start CPR when they detected Dziekanski had collapsed. Standard first aid training: in the case of cardiac arrest, the sooner you start CPR, the better the chances of survival.
But, more importantly: did you see the baton in action, towards the end of that 10 min. clip? It was in vertical position in the cop’s hand, going in the up and down motion, while Dziekanski’s movements on the floor were barely noticebable anymore. They don’t say anything about it. Do you know something about that baton action? It bothers me so much that I almost have to force myself to still be friendly (somewhat) towards you. Why would anybody feel compelled, without being asked, to still defend those thugs? Why, Mac?
Again, you don’t get it. Do you not know all the noise in parliament is not going to happen for a mere handful of Canadians that refuse to tolerate police brutality?
For lack of publicity there was only a handful of protesters against the “IAN BUSH” murder. Not too much noise in parliament then.
Indeed, the Dziekanski atrocity is bringing the “Ian Bush” murder to light as well.
Dziekanski was not killed for smashing a computer. He was tasered because he was physically resisting the officers. Why he died is still unclear. Also, how come none of you brainiacs consider the possibility that, from the perspective of the responding officers, Dziekanski might have been reaching for a weapon? Why are you unwilling to consider this? You’re like children with a favourite toy (look! look! Those cops killed a guy! Everybody look! Cops are bad! Cops are bad!). There’s no logic in your assessment of the police as brutal killers, just the hysterical ranting of anti-police zealotry. Go and educate yourself about the police and their mandate before you start bashing them. If you crack open a book and do some real digging you might come up with an educated opinion. All of you morons who see something on the internet and figure you know all there is to know, you’re no better than the dumbasses who watch a tv show about some historical topic and, the next day at work, declare themselves experts on the subject when they’re standing around the water cooler.
How strange that you should mention Ian Bush since the Public Complaints Commission issued it’s final report today and exonerated the RCMP member… and described the investigation as being very complete and professional. Look like you’re wrong again, ds… but, of course, you won’t admit as much. Instead, I expect you and others like you will claim it’s all a vast conspiracy.
The guy didn’t have to reach for anything, Cole. Under one minute is what it took to kill this guy…RECORD TIME, I bet!
Michael Lyman, a professor in the criminal justice and forensic science department at Columbia College in Missouri, said the video shows Dziekanski to be in crisis but that he certainly didn’t pose a threat to the four police officers.
“I don’t see where the officers made any attempts to rush him or to control him physically through the use of soft-handed control techniques as in simply just holding him and securing him without having to resort to any weaponry,” he said.
Lyman, who has testified in hundreds of cases in the United States involving proper use of police force, said he’s particularly concerned about a Mountie putting his full weight on Dziekanski after he’s been flailing on the floor.
“That is very, very dangerous because persons have difficulty breathing when an officer places weight on them, especially on a hard floor.”
John Butt, a former coroner who is an expert on Taser deaths, told CTV News in Vancouver on Friday that he is concerned about how quickly the RCMP used the Taser stun gun. According to CTV News in Vancouver, police used a Taser on Dziekanski 24 seconds after they arrived.
Donald Van Blaricom, former chief of the Bellevue police,
faulted the police for opting to use the Taser too quickly. “There was no extreme emergency that caused them to move in that fast and take him into custody,” he said.
“They were able to get quite close to him and he wasn’t being aggressive towards them.”
IF EITHER OF YOU STILL DON’T GET IT!
FOLLOW COLE’S ADVICE: GET AN EDUCATION!
Let me help with your inability to translating script.
Michael Lyman - said he’s particularly concerned about a Mountie putting his full weight on Dziekanski after he’s been flailing on the floor.
Donald Blaricom - faulted the police for opting to use the Taser too quickly. “There was no extreme emergency that caused them to move in that fast and take him into custody,†he said.“They were able to get quite close to him and he wasn’t being aggressive towards them.â€
Ummm…not sure why you’re having such a comprehension problem.
Without considering their more humane options,they ran in tasered him twice, while he’s flailing on the floor they pressurize his head, neck and back till he dies…YEP sounds like malfeasance!
John Butt - he is concerned about how quickly the RCMP used the Taser stun gun
Good thing there is public over sight in the Robert Dziekianski case.
At the inquest, a blood-spatter expert disputed the officer’s version of the events, saying it wasn’t possible for Bush to have been behind Koester trying to choke him when the fatal shot was fired.
Joe Slemko, an Edmonton police officer and private consultant, said the evidence, based on blood patterns, showed the young man had to be under the Mountie.
Try a re-enactment Mac, it’s impossible.
A re-enactment was vetoed from evidence because why Mac? Maybe because it’s impossible!
ds, you’re getting a little too paranoid now. You would have us believe the Public Complaints Commissioner, who fulltime job is to investigate complaints against the Mounties, is actually in cahoots with them? The Coroners Inquest… they were all in cahoots too? Wow… that’s a pretty sophisticated conspiracy!!
Slemko… If he was a legitimate forensic expert, why would he offer his opinion based (as he admitted at the Coroners Inquest) on a selected number of poorer quality photographs provided to him by the lawyer for the Bush family? Why wouldn’t he preface his opinion to articulate how he didn’t see the scene, he didn’t view all the evidence available and therefore his opinion was only partial? Simple: income stream. From now on, any lawyer who wants to try to poke holes in police blood splatter testimony now knows the name Slemko. I’m sure he’ll be getting loads of calls.
The Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP is mandated to conduct reviews when complainants are not satisfied with RCMP handling of a complaint, but even it has no teeth, says the past chair of the commission, Shirley Heafey. That’s because the commission can’t subpoena evidence or question witnesses involved in an RCMP investigation. It only has access to investigation material if the RCMP commissioner willingly hands it over.
It is possible to bring RCMP evidence into the public, said Heafey, if the chair of the complaints commission decides to hold a hearing.
David Eby, who represents Fee, said he believes investigators provide officers with the answers they’re looking for, instead of the truth.
They didn’t want to find these officers had done anything wrong,†he stated.
At a coroner’s inquest, the goal is to find facts, not lay blame, but the civilian jury is allowed to make recommendations. However, police don’t have to follow or even respond to those recommendations
The constable who shot and killed Ian Bush was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by major crimes investigators, and was cleared again today by the Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP. Have you seen the pictures of the constable who had to fight for his life in a little detachment with some drunk redneck? Those injuries completely support his assertion that he was attacked and felt that his life was at stake. I don’t hear you talking about this evidence. But take the Dziekanski tasering… It’s funny, but you guys take one video, a bunch of public anger, and you pronounce the four officers involved in the taser incident at YVR guilty of brutality, murder, atrocity, and so on. But when faced with much more substantive evidence from multiple sources and several investigations that clear the constable who shot Ian Bush, you cry conspiracy. It is impossible to have a debate with people like you, because you’re not interested in debate: you just want to voice your moonbat conspiracy theories. I bid you adieu, gentlemen.
Quoted from my post looks like I did answer you.
“Without considering their more humane options,they ran in tasered him twice, while he’s flailing on the floor they pressurize his head, neck and back till he dies…YEP sounds like malfeasance!”
Maybe you have just learned a new word but can’t get it’s meaning. Here, let me help.
Malfeasance: “Wrongful doing of a public official” and yes that is atrocity
These conspiracy theorists are as determined as they are wrong. So like Erika and you, I shall desist in attempting to bring enlightenment to their paranoid darkness.
Who knows? The TRUTH stand alone. Most of us can try to point at it for them, but it’s still their choice.
They certainly do retreat from facts.
Did the others “win” something by causing those who disagree with them to cease responding to their circuitous paranoid arguments and ad hominem attacks? Sure. That’s it. They “won” and, while I can’t speak for the others, I feel totally dominated by their superior intellects. There is absolutely no doubt, the “facts” as presented by ds are completely persuasive. In fact, I’m starting to feel paranoid already….
Macsie, read this blog again, from the beginning. Its not only you who is ‘doing’ everything.
Try CPR on Cole. Now! If he won’t come back to, we’re in deep sh..t. They will re-assign us!
The corporal of the RCMP just came on the radio to announce that those four brave guardians of our freedom did not abandon Dziekanski, after he stopped breathing. They kept MONITORING his non-breathing until the ambulance arrived!
And I was about to join some morons in condemning the police. I am so ashamed of myself. But I am a different ashamed, the other ashamed on this blog is ashamed of something else, I forgot of what though. Oh, yeah, I remember now: the other ashamed was ashamed of some fluff or something. Thats not me. No siree bob.
George might be on to something with, well you know…
BONGO? Cole you ask. You don’t have a video
Shreddy’s Look-alike; that is too frickin comical-I wonder if they get it?
Mac, Cole et al (all three of you), tell us: you are not dead too, are you? I want so much to still believe in tasers!
George, I admire your believe in people’s comprehention ability. I’m sure Mac cac master some. But, it might be a while before we’ll hear again from Mac or Cole. ds, you didn’t zap Erika too, did you? I tried myself CPR on them (don’t want to be re-assigned) but it might have not worked. Whom do I join now? Dead Morons Society?
This is getting crazier all the time? Wouldn’t they know medical emergency response teams would know the guy was “DEAD”? Their Lies just keep coming, not that they have a lot left to discredit. When you’ve got nothing to lose I guess.
I’m thinking Mac has heard too much logic for 1 day
So you think you won something here? Think again, boys. The ambulance attendants revealed that yeah, sure, Dziekanski might have been ‘deadski’ (km, there is nothing sacred to you, is there?) when they arrived. But he could have been still breathing moments earlier! And as long as you breath, you have the right to remain handcuffed. Plain and simple. So there. Now go and sulk, you deserve it.
Mac, Cole, and you little Erica, come out from hiding. We got a new lease on life.
The guy was non-breathing with no pulse when fire crew and ambulance crew asked to have handcuffs removed. Officers responded that they were afraid the “DEAD” man may still be a threat.
Mac, Cole, and little Erica…If your going to come out…bring the BIG guns!
I agree with ds, they (Mac,Cole,and Erica)should have sent someone with a stronger debate that that.
The RCMP are going to Poland to collect all they can on their dead victim.
The SHOOT first then ASK questions tactic is simple enough for even you 4 to figure out-BUT, be careful-if you follow this “Witch Hunt” closely you just might get it.
Keep in mind, any information they gather is all prejudicial, THEY JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER!
This statement was profound enough to lump him together with the other jokers. Brilliant, ds. Absolutely brilliant.
WE KNOW DICK. Or is it you don’t know dick?
You throw a little rationale at these folks and they run!
All Ian joined for was to inform us ambulance attendee’s claimed that; “yeah, sure he may have been breathing till just before ambulace arrived”?
The one and only statement the cops might get away with as they’re the only ones that know for sure.
With the lies they’ve been soliciting I would file that statement with the rest of their lies just to follow their protocol. KILL-LIE-ASK
RETARDS!
“..public attention should be directed toward the airport more so than the cops. It’s a poor commentary that they let a distraught man who was not fortunate enough to speak English/French stew in an airport for 10 hours with NO HELP..” /
The original article suggests that any solution to the untimely and unfortunate death of Robert Dziekanski is to be found in improving procedures at the Vancouver airport , rather than improving police procedures.
In my original posting, I advocated a civil suit against the cops for wrongful death, unlawful confinement without charge, and the use of excessive force. However one commentator (Mac, I believe) thinks I over-reacted when I saw the video.
It is clear for all to see that the four RCMP officers didn’t come there to negotiate or play nice. They cornered the suspect like he was a dangerous animal. There is no visible conversation for the first 25 seconds. They simply zapped him a few times, whacked him around and cuffed him. Its all there on the video.
I didn’t think they had the balls to wrestle Dziekanski to the ground without resorting to the Taser or the billy clubs. That’s why I referred to them as a “quartet of punk cops”. Now we’re told they didn’t remove the handcuffs even after the ambulance arrived. If I was a cop (and I’m not) I would feel pretty badly that my colleagues in the RCMP screwed up this arrest. It gives the public the wrong image of the protective services.
Whoever called the cops must be feeling pretty bad after watching this video replay of the take-down. In hindsight, he or she must be regretting the unexpected and unintended consequences.
What exactly did you mean
“And as long as you breath, you have the right to remain handcuffed”?
Do you see anything severly rediculous of that statement?
My point of view would be “You have the right to breathe”
http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Kostek_Malczyk_Nov22.mp3
Of course, rcmp humour!
I have pondered the rcmp arrival in Poland as well. Imagine, they get there, everyone there wants answers before they’re willing to give info - what do they expect?
The guys friends are distraught, the public outrage is as prominent as in Canada. Bullying for cooperation over there would probably be their mentality, even though,most wouldn’t advise it.
As for approval to travel to Poland for the RCMP: they are waiting for OUR approval, ds. Yours and mine. Its OUR money they will use to buy those Lufthansa tickets,isn’t it?
So lets deny them that approval! They will be dead in the water, won’t they? And then we’ll put them behind the bars, where they belong.
But I woudn’t be counting on any martinis any time soon!
We have to stay noisy Shreddy’s Look-alike, We have to. That’s what they are banking on-letting time take it all away-then maybe we’ll become numb to MURDER!
I believe we will be getting white washed for travel approval. Surely they know a public vote would indeed put them in jail.
Keep making noise Shreddy’s Look-alike…stay noisy.
Not good enough killing the guy, now they have to finish the job.
When I went to school people like that were referred to as: LOSERS!
From birth you teach your children that I am the bogeyman, and then you’re shocked when they identify me with my traditional enemy, the criminal. You accuse me of coddling juveniles, unt