The Video
The Story
Video released by Canadian authorities of the last moments of a Polish immigrant’s life shows police using a Taser stun gun on him after confronting him at the Vancouver airport.
Robert Dziekanski, 40, of Pieszyce, Poland, arrived at the airport 10 hours earlier on Oct. 14 – his first airplane flight to begin a new life with his mother in western Canada.
Dziekanski, who did not speak English, began acting erratically after not seeing his mother in the baggage area, a secure area she could not enter.
About 25 seconds after police enter the secure area where he is, there is a loud crack that sounds like a Taser shot, followed by Dziekanski screaming and convulsing as he stumbles and falls to the floor.
Another loud crack can be heard as an officer appears to fire one more Taser shot into Dziekanski.
As the officers kneel on top of Dziekanski and handcuff him, he continues to scream and convulse on the floor.
One officer is heard to say, “Hit him again. Hit him again,” and there is another loud cracking sound.
Police have said only two Taser shots were fired, but a witness said she heard up to four Taser shots.
Comment:
It is a apparent (and I mean that in the purest sense of the word) that the police used excess force with little attempt to interact with Dziekanski. However, public attention should be directed toward the airport more so than the cops. It’s a poor commentary that they let a distraught man who was not fortunate enough to speak English/French stew in an airport for 10 hours with NO HELP. Dziekanski’s outbursts seemed to be him doing anything he could just to get someone’s attention. If Vancouver considers itself a world class city then it needs to be a little more responsive to the incoming world. Good luck to the first athlete who gets lost during the 2010 Olympics!
Throwing computers and damaging public property is not a good way to get attention especially in an airport. Did this man not have a phone number to contact his mother? Who has a son travel half way across the world and not go to the proper terminal to meet him? A little bit of common sense goes a long way.
“..Throwing computers and damaging public property is not a good way to get attention especially in an airport. Did this man not have a phone number to contact his mother? Who has a son travel half way across the world and not go to the proper terminal to meet him? A little bit of common sense goes a long way.”
Jason,
From the perspective of Robert Dziekanski, he’s been held hostage for 10 HOURS (!) by an uncaring, foreign-language speaking bureaucracy while his mother is probably worried sick outside. This is simply wrong and he has a right to be pissed off. Tossing a few chairs around is no justification for being brutally murdered (manslaughter is the more precise crime) by a callous quartet of punk cops. The idiots didn’t even read the guy his rights or arrest him. They just killed him when he was clearly no threat to anyone in the vicinity.
His mother should sue the RCMP and the individual officers for wrongful confinement, manslaughter and utter stupidity.
I am really saddened by the tragic death of Robert Dziekanski. The entire situation was handled unjustly and brutally. There are Immigrant agencies who’s staff speak Polish, and Polish ethnic organizations who, could have provided an interpretor, or even staff at the Vancouver airport. If Robert Dziekanski, could communicate with someone in his language, this tragedy would never happen.
I would like to see those faces of four young man who killed very confused new emigrant. They should get long time in prison, they did not try anything else but hurt him.Who traind those Royal policeman? They had no respect for human being who was obiuosly very confused.
Jason:
The mother was at the right terminal, at the right place at the right time. Her phone was 4 hours away in Kamloops. Even common sense doesn’t work if you are unable to make contact while 50 feet apart and nobody is willing to help.
Also, how secure do you think this airport is if someone can wander around lost for 10 hours in the “secured area” without anyone taking notice, or finding out what the problem is?
this is one of the most cruel things i have seen in a while. i am 16 and i see a lot of wrong doings but this is one of the worst. the cops walk in there like they own the place and dont even try to talk to the obviously upset man and then they surround him and do something so wrong and SICK. If i ruled the roost. these cops would be chargeed and going to prison for this unkind sick act.
Jason,
thanks for the common sense, I am so glad that someone else has at least tried to consider this from the other side!! Good for you for speaking your mind, even if your opinion isn’t the one that seems to be most prevelant in the media right now, that takes guts.
Matt,
I’m so glad to see another teenager (i’m 17) who actually cares about what goes on around them, thats awesome. However, I must disagree with you. I have watched people be tasered before (a drug dealer was taken down outside of the mall where I work) and trust me, the police don’t take it lightly. I think the police who tasered Robert Dziekanski were trying to get him down on the ground where they could quickly subdue him without more of a threat being posed to themselves or the public or Robert Dziekanski himself. They couldn’t have known whether or not he was possibly high on drugs, if he was he may have had needles or other potentially lethal objects on him. Robert Dziekanski showed no oppposition to violent behavior (he WAS damaging foreign property and yelling). The police were trying to quickly diffuse a situation the best they could. We all need to have more respect for the men and women of the RCMP who put their lives on the line everyday protecting you, me and everyone else. We owe them so much. If anyone is to blame for the sad death of Robert Dziekanski it is his mother for not giving clearer instructions and the airport staff for not handling the situation better. Thanks for your time! erika
Good job Paul.. with your video footage you reviled the truth, the true face of RCMP they are not here ” to serve and protect” they are here to kill and murder the civilians. They killed Ian Bush in Houston, BC and now poor Robert. It is the time to get rid of the RCMP and consider municipal police force… the RCMP is disgrace to Canada. As a Canadian I am really ashamed what have happened…Polish friends, many Canadians are upset over this. My condolences to Dziekanski’s family… RIP ROBERT
Come on, if the purpose of the RCMP is to “kill and murder the civilians” then there would be a lot more unsolved murders. I say do their job for a day, and then critisize them. Anyone who wants to hate on the RCMP shouldn’t be allowed to phone 911 when they have an issue. Good luck living in a country where nobody enforces the law. If you want to live in a country where there is no real solid police force and where the police force that does exist IS a “disgrace”…go live in mexico, or thailand.
erika
…somehow, I think the point of the discussion was the gross error on the YVR RCMP resulting in a death.
Whether by taser or by knee/choke the point MADE was they screwed up SERIOUS. It results in a death when they make mistakes.
Big responsibility. It takes courage and no lawyers to own up to this gross miscarriage of justice.
THAT is the point of the discussion, not whether or not we need cops or don’t appreciate them.
Stay focused. Someone died because of this.
ds,
i don’t think you read all the posts. “It is the time to get rid of the RCMP and consider municipal police force… the RCMP is disgrace to Canada.” and “they are here to kill and murder the civilians.” sounds a lot like hating a group of people who put their lives on the line every day for ALL of us, and not at all like staying focused. its sad (and probably disheartening for those who DO serve and protect) to have a tragedy like this turned into an opportunity to ridicule and hate the RCMP as a whole. Everyone needs to imagine what exactly it would be like to live in this country without the RCMP!! Honestly, this has gotten waay out of hand. The situation ended tragically, but it cannot all be blamed on the RCMP. Its not the police that I am ashamed of, its all the people in this country with fast tempers.
erika;
I agree Customs and YVR are at question,
an obvious lack of PR. – however,their docility is not the cause of this manslaughter, that took 4 of our finest.
The reaction of the general public is not driven by this incident alone – there is a trend of in custody deaths – being covered up – where cameras are not rolling.
Indeed, this is off the chart. This gross act blackens the eyes of our RCMP and leaves Canada standing in National shame.
The fast tempers you are opposed to are a mix of fear and accounted for ANGER.
i left vancouver years ago becouse of rcmp brutality and stupidity i am living happily in the US and i am Not planning to go back there even that i am a canadian citizen SHAME of canada police country imade right chouse to live cANADA FOREVER DO NOT PLAN to came for alympics affraid about police stupiditty and brutality SHAME SHAME OF ALL CANADA PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT VIDEO EVERYWERE
bart;
It is scary; it is not gang members dying in custody it is common citizens…Very Scary indeed!
Speculation continues to rage throughout the country about how the Polish man’s entry into Canada could have been so horribly botched.
And one informed analysis of the situation was broadcast in Polish on the radio station at the University of Victoria last weekend. It was written by retired economist Kostek Malczyk, who relied on information made public to date, as well as sources who are very familiar with immigration procedures, particularly at Vancouver airport.
Malczyk’s scenario might shed some further light on part of the nine-hour delay that preceded Dziekanski’s apparent emotional breakdown, which in turn led to his fatal arrest.
Malczyk surmised that part of the answer might lie in Dziekanski’s problematic background. He was sentenced to five years in prison for a robbery in his youth and that conviction was on his record. Malczyk said Dziekanski’s application for permanent-resident status was pre-approved by the Canadian Embassy in Poland. Vancouver officials might well have wanted to double-check his approval when he arrived at 4 p.m. But second-guessing their counterparts in Poland was not an easy option, the retired economist suggests. And the time change would have made it after midnight in Poland, so no contact could have been made for several hours.
Which suggests to Malczyk that the man was not wandering aimlessly around the Canadian Border Service-controlled portion of the airport for hours. He might have been held up or detained by the service until the officials could check his approval with Warsaw.
That’s partially contradicted by airport authorities, who have said the man cleared the first stage of customs around 4 p.m. but inexplicably didn’t arrive at the baggage-claim exit until much later, around 10:30 p.m.
They said at that point officials found his bags and brought him to be processed as a landed immigrant.
The lawyer assisting the dead man’s mother has said that his baggage was located in the departures area, suggesting to Malczyk that officials might have been considering shipping him back to Poland.
YVR said it was two hours after Dziekanski got his baggage that he completed the process and exited into the public area.
Malczyk said the fact that took two hours is considered very unusual by people familiar with the process.
What was going on during that interview?
By then the Warsaw office would have been open and Vancouver customs officers might have been double-checking his problematic background with the fact he’d been approved prior to departure.
Canada’s persistent checking of his background might also lie behind the fact Dziekanski changed his mind several times about moving here, right up until two weeks before his flight. He might have been growing frustrated over the concerns being expressed.
Most central to Malczyk’s argument is the fact an interpreter would have been present during that late-night interview.
Which potentially makes the later circumstances even more dismaying. Dziekanski emerged from the interview deeply distraught and acting erratically.
His words caught on the videotape and translated later refer to him wanting to “sue all of you.” That might have been an expression of his frustration over the persistent questions the border service agents had over his admissibility to Canada.
Did an interpreter pack up and go home immediately after Dziekanski was dealt with?
Or was he or she still on hand for those few moments after the interview when he clearly ran off the rails?
Malczyk raises the prospect of the interpreter sitting in an office seconds away when the fateful decision was made to call police, rather than summon the interpreter to try to calm him down.
It’s already been established that his mother had been waiting for hours just a few metres away on the other side of the security barriers. That compounded the horror many people felt after watching video of him later being Tasered by the RCMP, writhing in agony on the floor, and eventually succumbing.
Malczyk is deeply suspicious of the protracted silence from the Canadian Border Service. He said they have decided to live with the one-sided proliferation of misinformation after the death, because the alternative — the truth — is even more embarrassing.
Thankfully, and hopefully, the wait for a possible explanation for at least part of this botched arrival will be a short one.
Minister Day said the internal report by the border agency will be released in a few days.
It will be the first of the several probes underway to report out. It couldn’t come soon enough. If it will come out. The release of the video happened only because Mr. Pridchard went to court. Who is going to act independently enough to asure any unbiased reporting without court action?
Aaron Thu, Nov 22, 07 at 01:07 PM
He was not killed for being a former criminal. It appears that 4 cops did not have that information. He was still killed. So speculating about his past is irrelevant to his death, it only is relevant to him snapping. What followed is our hands doing, not his.
To Aaron:
Hey, Pollyanna,
Your piece:
“Aaron Thu, Nov 22, 07 at 01:07 PM
Your statement: “He was not killed for being a former criminal…” is clearly identifying with the police. Or is it with the CBSA? It was established that those two federal agencies were communicating with each other during the night of Oct. 13 to 14, 2007. It might be just too tricky for them to get rid of the evidence, existing in the cyber space. Shredders are dinosaurs in that regard…
Sometimes it is not a bliss to stay naive, Pollyanna. Especially when somebody is getting away with murder. And thats literally, in case you missed it.
i’m glad that SOMEONE is actually trying to consider all the facts of this case before coming to a conclusion and blaming those who were not soley responsible. would we really want someone with a criminal record arriving in canada and not being questioned at all??? really, to expect CBS, the police or whoever to just allow him into the country because we cannot verify his right be here, and because he can’t speak english is pure stupidity. i personally, in the age of terrorism, want people to be detained until it is perfectly clear whether or not they are allowed to be here. IF Dziekanski was yelling that he wanted to, “sue all of you” that suggests that he wasn’t a helpless, passive person standing there wanting help, he was irrate and angry. It is not the job of the RCMP to predict what exactly was in his system when he was tasered and how that would have reacted with the tasering….it was their job to protect themselves and the public. lets cut them some slack, allow the investigation to happen, and for crying out loud, stop slamming the RCMP…they are not soley responsible for this tragedy!
Erika, you slackey person you. How wonderful it is to stand with the strong and mighty and keep cutting more and more slack for people, who never asked you for it. I envy you. But here is one more reason for you to jump to the defence of the undefendable, in view of the Mr. Pridchard’s video.
The red-neck stance: Dziekanski’s felon=his death justified, will make those shredders and tape-erasers at the offices of our cherished federal agencies bolder and work faster. Their silence in the past five weeks was deafening and illuminating at the same time. Good luck to you, investigating commissions. All five, six, seven of you? Your work is being cut out for you by the Erikas of this land of plenty. They stand on guard for thee. Please don’t bother to examine those shredders and erasers! They might still be too hot to handle, after all those weeks of creative work of destruction of evidence. While more deaths will be occuring at the hands of our dear guardians.
Give them more power, Erika! Thats exactly what they were giving to the NKVD, NDASP, STASI and every other police force-gone-wrong in history.
“It was their job to protect themselves and the public”. And they still do protect themselves, but at the expense of the public. While the shredders are humming.
I just realised: Erika is only 17 years old! Dear, I take back everything I said. When I was your age, back in Third Reich, they also allowed me to think the way you do. In fact, they WANTED me to think that way. So I did. But, fortunately for me, I had my mother who cared about me. And she was doing her job of teaching to me to have my own mind about things, not just accept what was coming down from the loud speakers. Thanks to that, I came through the years of absolute power of strong and mighty without being hung for crimes against humanity. Many of mine compatriots did not listen to their mothers.
Erika, dear, I am not your mother. I cannot teach you what my mother taught me. But would you please ask your mother, if you have one, this question: how to live your life from now on so in a few years they will not be sentencing you for taking the life of “someone with a criminal record”. Because, you see, this is exactly what those four policemen did and you don’t see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
With this pathologically deviant mind at the age of 17, you are well on your way to become a person whom your mother will regret she gave the birth to. God help you, child.
….a criminal record with time served = death by execution in Canada.
Canada Customs fails on every level and RCMP use their robotic tactics and make all better.
Welcome to Canada 2010 Olympics!
Shreddy
Your first post was quite educational for this YOUNG lady (Erika). You gave her hard facts to consider, even engage an investigation into that information if she chooses.
Your last post, however – add fuel to the fire.
I believe, young Erika, is still feeling out her environment and trying to make sense of the crazy world she lives in.
Not so cut and dry, when I was 17.
Chillowack man pepper sprayed, beaten with baton, and tasered.
Chilliwack man died Friday just after midnight.
The cause of death has yet to be determined.
I suppose there are 3 scenario’s to consider;
- Taser
- Baton beatings to the head
- Combination of both (the confusing one)
Erika, you’re doing just fine. I, for one, am glad you haven’t prejudge the situation like they have!! Don’t let these conspiracy theorists and other anti-police types dissuade you from questioning the media’s representation of this tragic situation. The MSM were determined to make a Canadian version of Rodney King out of this and it looks like they’ve succeeded.
Shreddy just “hit” Godwin’s Law, all by himself! Kudos!
ds, you’re missing a few scenarios and some of the ones you’ve listed don’t work. The taser reportedly misfired which destroys two of your scenarios.
Here’s another factoid you may not be aware of… the family released a statement to the media, apologizing to the store employees who called the police because of their son’s erratic, uncontrollable behaviour. Interesting how you didn’t mention that the police says they’ve had violent encounters with this individual before.
Let’s see… pattern of violence with police, family apologizing for his behaviour… what does this suggest?
Mac
“The family is shocked and saddened by the recent incident between our son and the Chilliwack RCMP.
We apologize on behalf of our son to the staff of the EZ Rentals for any distress that was caused because of this incident,” the family statement said.
- Shocked and saddened, Not saying they get it/expected it/ agree with RCMP brutality
- apologies to the store for any distress does not state his behaviour at all
A misfired taser – no defense for death
Past history with police does not constitute Death Penalty.
Previous encounters with police have not suggested violence involved.
Your post has construed the facts with your own ideas.
And your post hasn’t?
Mac
My post is not based on LIES.
At least give proper facts, unlike the ones you made up…Misfired Taser?
Even if that were true…just makes things worse.
Not just thugs, but irresponsible thugs?
Hey Macsie baby,
I’m so glad to see you and Erika standing on guard. Those boys in red suits need every help they can get. They are so helpless! Can you imagine: they shoot somebody with that useless taser and it only sends the ’subject’ to the ground. They still have to dirty their hands with finishing the guy off. And don’t forget the other babies of ours, the CBSA welcoming committee members. Their job is so thankless: protecting us from all those terrorists every day of the week. And then comes some Polack, with no English but with criminal record. Where do you park the guy and whom do you call, before you decide if he can receive your stamp of approval, allowing him to enter our pristine and safe country? It is so heartfelt to listen (short time ago today) to the president of CBSA, explaining absolutely NOTHING. Mac, do you know why our federal agencies can afford to say nothing about the events leading to the DEATH of a person? Its because they can always count on the support of our responsible, patriotic citizenry. Like yourself.
ds, before you accuse someone of lies, you might want to do a bit of research but then again, why bother? Your mind is made up and facts will only confuse you.
SL, it’s a shame you’ve lost all confidence in Canadian institutions but that’s your problem, not mine. If you want to blindly ride the roller coast of misinformation which typified the MSM, good luck with it. I’ll pass.
Cynapse, you have some very “interesting” characters hanging around your website. Their rhetoric seems less cynical and more anti-establishment… and the most mature of the lot is a 17 year old. Well done, Erika!
Shreddy’s look alike…lol welcome aboard!
I have to the reasoning that Mac must be a cop!
Only way to explain his LIES and his claim to a taser misfire.
The LIES are the nature of those people.
AND
If misfire is not a right out LIE, must be inside info.
Should be against the rules to have LYING THUGS post here.
Mac,
Thanks for the support. My point in posting on here was to say that it is wrong to prejudge a situation like this and to immediatley condemn a group of people. What is being done to the RCMP is wrong…and unjust, not to mention completly disrespectful. And, I think making personal attacks against someone because of their view of a situation (example: “With this pathologically deviant mind at the age of 17, you are well on your way to become a person whom your mother will regret she gave the birth to. God help you, child.”)is exactly what went on in the third reich, and in various police states. I AM thinking for myself, I am NOT just believing any of the crap that I hear. Look at the media, they are all condemning the RCMP, or at least giving the people who are a lot of air time. I believe in freedom of opinion and freedom of speech (which we have because of the blood, sweat and tears of the soldiers who gave up their lives for our great nation)…so don’t belittle me for my opinion or my viewpoint, my family members gave up their lives for me to have the right to NOT prejudge this situation or to rush to conclusions. Mac, it seems like we are among the few who still actually believe that ALL groups and people are innocent until proven guilty…sad isn’t it?
Agreed, Erika. Very sad.
Erica;
Not so sure I would rushing in to thank a person that can’t intelligently put facts together.
It is sad that few Canadians can watch authority over step their power like they cannot be challenged.
But along with their gullible fans they are being challenged
I am just a Look-alike, so no apology on behalf of a real offender. But even I think that somehow our dear little Erika (is that belittling too? My apology if it is) will get over those unnecessarily strong words. I fact, she did accomplish that already, it seems. She sailed soooo smoothly with Godwin’s Law herself that our freedom loving and so objective Mac never noticed nothin’.
Keep on trucking, you two. Your future looks strong and mighty. Oops, stop it. No Godwin’s Rule allowed.
Fluff. All crap and fluff. Just like Joliecouer’s presentation yesterday. The only difference is that he was much older than 17 years of age. Not caring that the man was killed in cold blood was the same. I am ashamed of myself that I read this crap.
Ashamed;
I also, don’t get it! How anyone, can watch a murder and say there was no murder.
We can be thankful, I suppose, most of us are not blind and know enough to demand government involvement
I think where we disagree is on what actually happened. It wasn’t a murder in cold blood, it was a tragic accident. I just don’t see what the motive for murder would have been? I doubt they walked in there and went, “Hey look, theres a guy we can kill!” Honestly, that is just silliness. What happened to Robert is sad, even heartbreaking, but it was an accident…not a murder. And, accidents should always result in people seeking to prevent the same thing from happening again. Accidents should never result in blaming, name calling or other abuse. Thats simply unfair. If this had been a cold blooded murder I would be equally outraged.
Erica;
What can anyone say? You are determined to stand in the light naivety.
Some might be relieved you can’t vote at this time
Well said, Erika, but his mind is made up and facts just confuse him… and I’ll bet he can’t vote either…
DON’T CALL THE COPS!
In Chilliwack,BC a little called the cops on a man she witnessed driving eratically, last week.
The cops pepper sprayed, tasered and applied baton beatings to his head. He died in hospital. Google it..Check it out!
There is no way that woman could have guessed she just submitted a man to the death penalty.
DON’T CALL THE COPS!
Mac, I appreciate you for standing up for what you feel is right, even though it may be unpopular that takes real guts and determination.
I’ve realized that you can’t reason with these misinformed people. So, this will be my last post on here. I think its ironic how the “ds”’s of the world are so passionate about the rights of the individual etc. etc, yet they are so happy to hear that someone who has an opposing viewpoint can’t vote. What does that say?
To anyone else who may read this,
I have personally witnessed the RCMP respond to many situations and provide comfort, relief and stability often at the risk of losing their own lives. They do this thankless job with a great deal of humility and professionalism rarely seen in other professions. I for one, am not going to dismiss them as a group because of some things being said about a few incidents. And please, take the time to examine the evidence and come up with your own opinion instead of listening to arrogant and irate people who obviously have a bone to pick. Thanks to anyone who has taken the time to read my posts,
eriika
Erika, it’s folks like you who give me hope for the future of Canada… and it’s folks like ds who worry me.
Guys like ds like to bleat about rights but they ignore the other side of the coin: responsibilities. Truly, they’re not interested in rights for others; only for themselves. Guys like ds attack authority and anyone who does not condemn authority because they refuse to acknowledge they bear any responsibility for their own actions. Ultimately, authority forces them to do so… and that’s why they hate it.
DON’T CALL THE COPS!!!!
It is with great trepidation that I submit a comment here, as this site is filled with people who can read minds and see into the future. Apart from all of you, no one except for the four officers who were called to deal with Mr. Dziekanski will ever know exactly what his reaction to their presence and commands was. Was he turning around to pull something out of one of his bags? An explosive device? A gun? A knife? We don’t know, because the video of his death shows only a part of the whole picture. Still, this hasn’t stopped a tidal wave of morons calling for the four RCMP members to be charged with murder, manslaughter, etc. How old are these people accusing the police of murder? 12 years old? Do you still believe in Santa Claus? You can’t blame the police for anything that happened prior to them being called. When they were called, it was to respond to a man acting violently in an international airport. Would any of you begin smashing computers and barricading doors at an international airport in Poland just because you had to wait around for ten hours? Of course not. Reasonable and rational people don’t behave that way. Then again, most people don’t have a conviction for robbery as a youth, either. They don’t just hand those things out, you know: you’ve really got to earn it. Having said this, many people who commit crimes in their youth do grow up and grow out of such anti-social behaviour. However, what a conviction for robbery does demonstrate is that Mr. Dziekanski was capable of violent behaviour. It is therefore not beyond belief that the police officers who responded to the complaint that he was acting violently did indeed see a man acting violently.
Why do all of the moonbats out there have such a hard time seeing that the police responded reasonably and without any malicious intent? They did their job. It’s too bad that someone had to die, but go trash an airport in Poland and see what happens.
As for the fellow in Chilliwack who died, what will all of you anti-police, anti-taser wingnuts say if it turns out that it was a baton strike that killed him? Because all of you morons–and Canada’s incredibly left-leaning media–held your vigils and prayers and lamented the use of tasers, you might have contributed to the death of the man in Chilliwack. Perhaps if police had just tasered him, he might still be alive. We’ll never know if the police who responded were too mindful of the anti-taser public mindset, and reached for their batons instead of deploying the taser.
This you can take to the bank: people who are mistrustful of the police are either criminals or people who just haven’t been exposed as a criminal yet. I love the police. They love me, because I don’t break the law. I will never be tasered, because I plan to avoid smashing up airports, driving dangerously, doing cocaine, threatening/assaulting police, etc.
RE: #27783
Do not have trepidation about posting here, as it is an open forum. Only abusive/illegal text will be deleted.
Here we go, free for all. Thank you #27783. Almost as easy as jumping some dumb pollack by our NATIONAL HEROES. One down, more (many) to go. We can do it. Go Canucks go! The world can’t wait.
PS. Cole, the police loves you too. Its because you are full of the same crap. But how did you manage to screw up that 17-years old so bad? She positively needs help. You are well beyond that.
Cole;
It’s amazing first of all that only a handful of Canadians couldn’t see anything wrong with police intervention right from their approach.
Customs cleared him, immigration cleared him and the Police found that a previous criminal record with time served in Poland constitutes the death penalty in Canada.
Somehow you managed to turn the Chilliwack incedent into what type of force killed him…Hmmm.
The point is, it’s all excessive force, cops not giving a damn about human life. As we see on the video, they have lost all common sense in keeping the peace, as our yesteryear respectful officers use to do.
When the truth hits you – your lack of logical thinking will prevent you from recognizing it
Cole;
It takes a moron to make an argument without proper facts. In Chilliwack they did not reach for their baton first, they far too heroic for that. That’s right they pepper sprayed and tasered him first. While blind and layed out on the floor they beat on his head with the baton.
Hey guys, beating up on one poor guy Cole again? Give him a break. Otherwise, he will throw his computer on the floor. Then, remember what George said. Don’t call the police!
Bongo;
I tend to agree with George and yourself
Let cole wreck his computer – even stupidity doesn’t deserve death at the call of police
“It takes a moron to make an argument without proper facts.”~ds
Et tu, ds? Wait… you have your “proper” facts from the always accurate media.
Mac
That is also what You are running with.
Except the rest of us have seen a live video of a death at the hands of our finest. No-one has to say a word, it’s all there.
The fact that there happens to be a handful of Canadians that refuse to see it as it is, has already been contributed to the fact that they either are cops, related to cops or just too naive to understand.
Yes, that’s what I’m running with… same as you, so if you’re saying I’m a moron, et tu, ds?
There are a handful of Canadians who would excuse the RCMP regardless of the circumstances. There are a handful of Canadians who refuse to accept this could be anything else except police malfeasance. The rest of us are somewhere in the middle of these two extremes. I’m not willing to prejudge based on an incomplete account and I expect a great number of mature individuals agree.
There’s less than 10 minutes of video but Dziekanski was at the airport for 11 hours. Does anyone know whether he ate food or drank anything in all that time? It’s been reported Dziekanski was a heavy smoker and drinker who quit the day before he flew to Vancouver. Perhaps the physiological effects of nicotine withdrawal and/or alcohol withdrawal, possibly combined with being dehydrated and fasting might left Dziekanski more venerable to the Taser than the average person.
Whatever his physiological conditions were, the RCMP used what they believed to be a non-lethal weapon and Dziekanski died. That’s a tragedy but it’s not a conspiracy as you’re representing it to be, nor was it police malfeasance.
Tasers have been deployed hundreds of thousands of times without serious injury resulting. I’ve read that cops have to be tasered as part of taser training. Would they allow themselves to be tasered if they thought it would kill them? Numerous journalists have volunteered to be tasered (haven’t you read those articles?) and they’re alive too.
If the Taser is so lethal, why aren’t they all dead, ds?
Where I see the RCMP did something wrong is that they didn’t immediately start CPR when they detected Dziekanski had collapsed. Standard first aid training: in the case of cardiac arrest, the sooner you start CPR, the better the chances of survival.
Macsie, you’re still around? Good to hear from you. Too bad we can’t hear from Dziekanski. He is dead. Did you know that he didn’t die of natural death? He didn’t do anything to provoke the police to kill him, either.
But, more importantly: did you see the baton in action, towards the end of that 10 min. clip? It was in vertical position in the cop’s hand, going in the up and down motion, while Dziekanski’s movements on the floor were barely noticebable anymore. They don’t say anything about it. Do you know something about that baton action? It bothers me so much that I almost have to force myself to still be friendly (somewhat) towards you. Why would anybody feel compelled, without being asked, to still defend those thugs? Why, Mac?
Mac;
Again, you don’t get it. Do you not know all the noise in parliament is not going to happen for a mere handful of Canadians that refuse to tolerate police brutality?
For lack of publicity there was only a handful of protesters against the “IAN BUSH” murder. Not too much noise in parliament then.
Indeed, the Dziekanski atrocity is bringing the “Ian Bush” murder to light as well.
In reply to ds, Bongo, and George:
Dziekanski was not killed for smashing a computer. He was tasered because he was physically resisting the officers. Why he died is still unclear. Also, how come none of you brainiacs consider the possibility that, from the perspective of the responding officers, Dziekanski might have been reaching for a weapon? Why are you unwilling to consider this? You’re like children with a favourite toy (look! look! Those cops killed a guy! Everybody look! Cops are bad! Cops are bad!). There’s no logic in your assessment of the police as brutal killers, just the hysterical ranting of anti-police zealotry. Go and educate yourself about the police and their mandate before you start bashing them. If you crack open a book and do some real digging you might come up with an educated opinion. All of you morons who see something on the internet and figure you know all there is to know, you’re no better than the dumbasses who watch a tv show about some historical topic and, the next day at work, declare themselves experts on the subject when they’re standing around the water cooler.
ds, the Dziekanski incident was a tragedy, not an atrocity. I would be outraged if the RCMP were guilt of brutality… but such is clearly not the case.
How strange that you should mention Ian Bush since the Public Complaints Commission issued it’s final report today and exonerated the RCMP member… and described the investigation as being very complete and professional. Look like you’re wrong again, ds… but, of course, you won’t admit as much. Instead, I expect you and others like you will claim it’s all a vast conspiracy.
Cole;
The guy didn’t have to reach for anything, Cole. Under one minute is what it took to kill this guy…RECORD TIME, I bet!
COLE & MAC
Michael Lyman, a professor in the criminal justice and forensic science department at Columbia College in Missouri, said the video shows Dziekanski to be in crisis but that he certainly didn’t pose a threat to the four police officers.
“I don’t see where the officers made any attempts to rush him or to control him physically through the use of soft-handed control techniques as in simply just holding him and securing him without having to resort to any weaponry,” he said.
Lyman, who has testified in hundreds of cases in the United States involving proper use of police force, said he’s particularly concerned about a Mountie putting his full weight on Dziekanski after he’s been flailing on the floor.
“That is very, very dangerous because persons have difficulty breathing when an officer places weight on them, especially on a hard floor.”
John Butt, a former coroner who is an expert on Taser deaths, told CTV News in Vancouver on Friday that he is concerned about how quickly the RCMP used the Taser stun gun. According to CTV News in Vancouver, police used a Taser on Dziekanski 24 seconds after they arrived.
Donald Van Blaricom, former chief of the Bellevue police,
faulted the police for opting to use the Taser too quickly. “There was no extreme emergency that caused them to move in that fast and take him into custody,” he said.
“They were able to get quite close to him and he wasn’t being aggressive towards them.”
IF EITHER OF YOU STILL DON’T GET IT!
FOLLOW COLE’S ADVICE: GET AN EDUCATION!
GEORGE, thanks for those pointers. Did any of these “experts” give any indication whatsoever of police malfeasance? Did any of them describe the incident as an atrocity? Was there any claims whatsoever of a conspiracy? Gee, I wonder why not?
Mac
Let me help with your inability to translating script.
Michael Lyman – said he’s particularly concerned about a Mountie putting his full weight on Dziekanski after he’s been flailing on the floor.
Donald Blaricom – faulted the police for opting to use the Taser too quickly. “There was no extreme emergency that caused them to move in that fast and take him into custody,†he said.“They were able to get quite close to him and he wasn’t being aggressive towards them.â€
Ummm…not sure why you’re having such a comprehension problem.
Without considering their more humane options,they ran in tasered him twice, while he’s flailing on the floor they pressurize his head, neck and back till he dies…YEP sounds like malfeasance!
John Butt – he is concerned about how quickly the RCMP used the Taser stun gun
Mac; Ian Bush case is a prime example of your trust in the corrupt cover-up of our RCMP.
Good thing there is public over sight in the Robert Dziekianski case.
At the inquest, a blood-spatter expert disputed the officer’s version of the events, saying it wasn’t possible for Bush to have been behind Koester trying to choke him when the fatal shot was fired.
Joe Slemko, an Edmonton police officer and private consultant, said the evidence, based on blood patterns, showed the young man had to be under the Mountie.
Try a re-enactment Mac, it’s impossible.
A re-enactment was vetoed from evidence because why Mac? Maybe because it’s impossible!
George, you’re doing a good job of trying to be condescending, but save your efforts. Funny how you didn’t answer my questions. I’m guessing that’s because you don’t like the answers?
ds, you’re getting a little too paranoid now. You would have us believe the Public Complaints Commissioner, who fulltime job is to investigate complaints against the Mounties, is actually in cahoots with them? The Coroners Inquest… they were all in cahoots too? Wow… that’s a pretty sophisticated conspiracy!!
Slemko… If he was a legitimate forensic expert, why would he offer his opinion based (as he admitted at the Coroners Inquest) on a selected number of poorer quality photographs provided to him by the lawyer for the Bush family? Why wouldn’t he preface his opinion to articulate how he didn’t see the scene, he didn’t view all the evidence available and therefore his opinion was only partial? Simple: income stream. From now on, any lawyer who wants to try to poke holes in police blood splatter testimony now knows the name Slemko. I’m sure he’ll be getting loads of calls.
Mac, your uneducated philosophy that Public Complaints actually has power to do anything is amazing.
The Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP is mandated to conduct reviews when complainants are not satisfied with RCMP handling of a complaint, but even it has no teeth, says the past chair of the commission, Shirley Heafey. That’s because the commission can’t subpoena evidence or question witnesses involved in an RCMP investigation. It only has access to investigation material if the RCMP commissioner willingly hands it over.
It is possible to bring RCMP evidence into the public, said Heafey, if the chair of the complaints commission decides to hold a hearing.
David Eby, who represents Fee, said he believes investigators provide officers with the answers they’re looking for, instead of the truth.
They didn’t want to find these officers had done anything wrong,†he stated.
At a coroner’s inquest, the goal is to find facts, not lay blame, but the civilian jury is allowed to make recommendations. However, police don’t have to follow or even respond to those recommendations
This conversation is fun, but really quite pointless. Positions are entrenched, and people like ds and George simply cut and paste the information they find online that they feel supports their positions. Anything to the contrary is ignored.
The constable who shot and killed Ian Bush was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by major crimes investigators, and was cleared again today by the Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP. Have you seen the pictures of the constable who had to fight for his life in a little detachment with some drunk redneck? Those injuries completely support his assertion that he was attacked and felt that his life was at stake. I don’t hear you talking about this evidence. But take the Dziekanski tasering… It’s funny, but you guys take one video, a bunch of public anger, and you pronounce the four officers involved in the taser incident at YVR guilty of brutality, murder, atrocity, and so on. But when faced with much more substantive evidence from multiple sources and several investigations that clear the constable who shot Ian Bush, you cry conspiracy. It is impossible to have a debate with people like you, because you’re not interested in debate: you just want to voice your moonbat conspiracy theories. I bid you adieu, gentlemen.
Mac; YOU DO HAVE A COMPREHENSION PROBLEM!
Quoted from my post looks like I did answer you.
“Without considering their more humane options,they ran in tasered him twice, while he’s flailing on the floor they pressurize his head, neck and back till he dies…YEP sounds like malfeasance!”
Maybe you have just learned a new word but can’t get it’s meaning. Here, let me help.
Malfeasance: “Wrongful doing of a public official” and yes that is atrocity
Well said, Cole.
These conspiracy theorists are as determined as they are wrong. So like Erika and you, I shall desist in attempting to bring enlightenment to their paranoid darkness.
Before you desist, Mac, it might be helpful to cease first. Cease being ‘in cahoots with them’ as they are rather ungrateful bunch. You never know when it will be your turn to be tasered, you know. They shoot first and then… don’t ask any questions, ‘in cahoots’ or not. Cease, Mac, cease first. Then look around and decide how much paranoid darkness is still left for your charitable enlightenment to shine upon. Only after that big job is done one can justifiably desist.
Hey, ds, do you think we won yet? Or is it George who tasered them to the ground?
km
Who knows? The TRUTH stand alone. Most of us can try to point at it for them, but it’s still their choice.
They certainly do retreat from facts.
km, It’s funny, who asked for their warped psychology anyway?
As far as I can tell, km, you didn’t do anything except wade in at the end to offer unsolicited “advice” if it could be called such.
Did the others “win” something by causing those who disagree with them to cease responding to their circuitous paranoid arguments and ad hominem attacks? Sure. That’s it. They “won” and, while I can’t speak for the others, I feel totally dominated by their superior intellects. There is absolutely no doubt, the “facts” as presented by ds are completely persuasive. In fact, I’m starting to feel paranoid already….
Tasers don’t kill people after all. Mac came to after multiple hits. We forgot to use the baton!
Macsie, read this blog again, from the beginning. Its not only you who is ‘doing’ everything.
Where is Cole, ds? What did you do to him? George, did you do it? All of you were told: ask questions first, use tasers only as your last line of defense. Defence, you morons.
Try CPR on Cole. Now! If he won’t come back to, we’re in deep sh..t. They will re-assign us!
Great news, boys. I am ready to join you, Mac and Cole (and Co., all three of you.) It took me a while of soul searching and what not, but finally they convinced me. With what, you might ask? Aha, hear this:
The corporal of the RCMP just came on the radio to announce that those four brave guardians of our freedom did not abandon Dziekanski, after he stopped breathing. They kept MONITORING his non-breathing until the ambulance arrived!
And I was about to join some morons in condemning the police. I am so ashamed of myself. But I am a different ashamed, the other ashamed on this blog is ashamed of something else, I forgot of what though. Oh, yeah, I remember now: the other ashamed was ashamed of some fluff or something. Thats not me. No siree bob.
Mac, thought you were gone. You never did respond once I showed you that you have a comprehension problem
Mac, the persuasive facts were on the video you watched LIVE.., unfortunately you didn’t understand them. all I did was back them up with expert insight. You don’t understand them either!
George might be on to something with, well you know…
KM, interesting Mac should comment on your wading in at the end. Sounds like 4 of his heroes wading in at the end with lethal advice.
BONGO? Cole you ask. You don’t have a video
Shreddy’s Look-alike; that is too frickin comical-I wonder if they get it?
Bad news boys. The ambulance people in Richmond BC are contradicting the corporal of the RCMP. They say Dziekanski couldn’t be doing his violent non-breathing action for the pleasure of our four guardians having something to monitor. He was plain dead before the ambulance got there! Still wearing the handcuffs!
Mac, Cole et al (all three of you), tell us: you are not dead too, are you? I want so much to still believe in tasers!
George, I admire your believe in people’s comprehention ability. I’m sure Mac cac master some. But, it might be a while before we’ll hear again from Mac or Cole. ds, you didn’t zap Erika too, did you? I tried myself CPR on them (don’t want to be re-assigned) but it might have not worked. Whom do I join now? Dead Morons Society?
Shreddy’s Look-alike;
This is getting crazier all the time? Wouldn’t they know medical emergency response teams would know the guy was “DEAD”? Their Lies just keep coming, not that they have a lot left to discredit. When you’ve got nothing to lose I guess.
I’m thinking Mac has heard too much logic for 1 day
I dunno. Can you hear when you are deadski?
km, ds:
So you think you won something here? Think again, boys. The ambulance attendants revealed that yeah, sure, Dziekanski might have been ‘deadski’ (km, there is nothing sacred to you, is there?) when they arrived. But he could have been still breathing moments earlier! And as long as you breath, you have the right to remain handcuffed. Plain and simple. So there. Now go and sulk, you deserve it.
Mac, Cole, and you little Erica, come out from hiding. We got a new lease on life.
Ian:
The guy was non-breathing with no pulse when fire crew and ambulance crew asked to have handcuffs removed. Officers responded that they were afraid the “DEAD” man may still be a threat.
Mac, Cole, and little Erica…If your going to come out…bring the BIG guns!
What’s the problem Ian? The cops messed up BIG.
I agree with ds, they (Mac,Cole,and Erica)should have sent someone with a stronger debate that that.
I give up.
Dead Moron Society it is. WE KNOW DICK.
Ian, Mac, Cole, Erica:
The RCMP are going to Poland to collect all they can on their dead victim.
The SHOOT first then ASK questions tactic is simple enough for even you 4 to figure out-BUT, be careful-if you follow this “Witch Hunt” closely you just might get it.
Keep in mind, any information they gather is all prejudicial, THEY JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER!
Ian said: “as long as you breath, you have the right to remain handcuffed.”
This statement was profound enough to lump him together with the other jokers. Brilliant, ds. Absolutely brilliant.
WE KNOW DICK. Or is it you don’t know dick?
Shreddy’s Look-alike;
You throw a little rationale at these folks and they run!
All Ian joined for was to inform us ambulance attendee’s claimed that; “yeah, sure he may have been breathing till just before ambulace arrived”?
The one and only statement the cops might get away with as they’re the only ones that know for sure.
With the lies they’ve been soliciting I would file that statement with the rest of their lies just to follow their protocol. KILL-LIE-ASK
RETARDS!
Yeah, sure, whatever. I continue giving up. Why don’t you, too, ds? You can only beat the foam for so long. Evem if you do have some sense of humour.
I read with much amusement the commentary on this topic. Having posted my original comments (#26628) I’d like to draw your attention to the following statements from the original Blog article:
“..public attention should be directed toward the airport more so than the cops. It’s a poor commentary that they let a distraught man who was not fortunate enough to speak English/French stew in an airport for 10 hours with NO HELP..” /
The original article suggests that any solution to the untimely and unfortunate death of Robert Dziekanski is to be found in improving procedures at the Vancouver airport , rather than improving police procedures.
In my original posting, I advocated a civil suit against the cops for wrongful death, unlawful confinement without charge, and the use of excessive force. However one commentator (Mac, I believe) thinks I over-reacted when I saw the video.
It is clear for all to see that the four RCMP officers didn’t come there to negotiate or play nice. They cornered the suspect like he was a dangerous animal. There is no visible conversation for the first 25 seconds. They simply zapped him a few times, whacked him around and cuffed him. Its all there on the video.
I didn’t think they had the balls to wrestle Dziekanski to the ground without resorting to the Taser or the billy clubs. That’s why I referred to them as a “quartet of punk cops”. Now we’re told they didn’t remove the handcuffs even after the ambulance arrived. If I was a cop (and I’m not) I would feel pretty badly that my colleagues in the RCMP screwed up this arrest. It gives the public the wrong image of the protective services.
Whoever called the cops must be feeling pretty bad after watching this video replay of the take-down. In hindsight, he or she must be regretting the unexpected and unintended consequences.
Sourpuss. Good riddance, you humourless gnom. And stay away, too! Who needed some Ian here anyway. Ds, keep soldiering on. I am with you. And the whole Dead Morons Society. We have work to do! For starters, somebody has to strike a welcoming committee for the arrival of the RCMP in Poland. Do you think the public prosecutors office in Gliwice can do the first honours? When those two will begin investigating each other, we’ll step in. What’d you say?
Ian! WAiT! One question before you leave.
What exactly did you mean
“And as long as you breath, you have the right to remain handcuffed”?
Do you see anything severly rediculous of that statement?
My point of view would be “You have the right to breathe”
Witchdoctor, thank you for reminding us about your EARLY and so insightful reading of the Dziekanski’s case. Here is something that goes together, I would say, with your line of thinking. Its a Nov. 22 Ottawa radio interview with some Polish economist from Victoria BC. There is some stuttering that is going to be trying on your nerves. But its worth listening.
http://www.cfra.com/chum_audio/Kostek_Malczyk_Nov22.mp3
Its called black humour, ds. ESL, anyone?
Ian;
Of course, rcmp humour!
Hey, Ian, ds might have been trying to tell you there a difference between the nouns and verbs (breath vs breathe.) Or did you just drop one letter by mistake? Some ESL classes could be in order to many of us…
Shreddy’s Look-Alike;
I have pondered the rcmp arrival in Poland as well. Imagine, they get there, everyone there wants answers before they’re willing to give info – what do they expect?
The guys friends are distraught, the public outrage is as prominent as in Canada. Bullying for cooperation over there would probably be their mentality, even though,most wouldn’t advise it.
A report says the rcmp are waiting on approval to travel. Who has to approve that?
Sorry, ds, I was away. I’m surprized km,Ian or the others didn’t enlighten you. Or perhaps they are parked somewhere else now? This topic of ours is getting somewhat too long in the tooth, isn’t it? And Dziekanski is still dead. Which is the only unfunny part and doesn’t help to keep the dead horse alive, so to speak.
As for approval to travel to Poland for the RCMP: they are waiting for OUR approval, ds. Yours and mine. Its OUR money they will use to buy those Lufthansa tickets,isn’t it?
So lets deny them that approval! They will be dead in the water, won’t they? And then we’ll put them behind the bars, where they belong.
But I woudn’t be counting on any martinis any time soon!
Shreddy’s Look-alike;
We have to stay noisy Shreddy’s Look-alike, We have to. That’s what they are banking on-letting time take it all away-then maybe we’ll become numb to MURDER!
I believe we will be getting white washed for travel approval. Surely they know a public vote would indeed put them in jail.
Keep making noise Shreddy’s Look-alike…stay noisy.
Oh, ds, you are really dedicated to the cause. I almost deserted you. Get me a ticket to Poland and I’ll go with you. We have to watch what those Mounties are going to do to the reputation of our dead Robert. Ian, are you there?
I would love to be a reporter in Poland, km. Wouldn’t that be the best?
Not good enough killing the guy, now they have to finish the job.
When I went to school people like that were referred to as: LOSERS!
Well Mr. Citizen, I guess you have me figured out. I seem to fit neatly into the category you place me in. I’m stereotyped, characterized, standardized, classified, grouped, and always typical. I’m the “lousy cop.” Unfortunately, the reverse isn’t true. I can never figure you out.
From birth you teach your children that I am the bogeyman, and then you’re shocked when they identify me with my traditional enemy, the criminal. You accuse me of coddling juveniles, until I catch your kid doing something. You may take an hour for lunch, and have several coffee breaks each day, but point me out as a loafer if you see me having just one cup.
You pride yourself on your polished manners, but think nothing of interrupting my meals at noon with your troubles. You raise hell about the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I’m picking on you. You know all the traffic laws, but never got a single ticket you deserved. You shout “foul” if you observe me driving fast enroute to an emergency call, but literally raise hell if I take more than ten seconds responding to your call!!!
You call it “part of the job” if someone strikes me, but it’s “police brutality” if I strike back. You wouldn’t think of telling your dentist how to pull a badly decayed tooth, or your doctor how to take out your appendix, but you are always willing to give me a few pointers on law enforcement. You talk to me in a manner and use language that would assure a bloody nose from anyone else, but you expect me to stand and take it without batting an eye.
You cry, “Something has to be done about all the crime!” but you can’t be bothered with getting involved.
You’ve got no use for me at all, but, of course, it’s OK if I change a tire for your wife, or deliver your baby in the back seat of my patrol car on the way to the hospital, or save your son’s life with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, or work many hours over-time to find your lost daughter.
So Mr. Citizen, you stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my job, calling me every name in the book, but never stop a minute to think that your property, your family, or maybe your life might depend on one thing, ME, or one if my buddies.
“YES ME THE LOUSY COP”
By
Author unknown
I had to come out of my retirement for this one!
A regular tear-jerker, Mr. rightontheleft. The Author uknown, trained at Depot, Sask., works for PR department of our beloved boys in red. Its your and mine money that produced this wonderful piece, rightontheleft!
Its also your and mine money that was used to pay those guys in Vancouver to jerk a lot of tears out of Dziekanski’s mother eyes. The same for Ian Bush’s mother in Houston, BC. And for all the mothers, and sisters, and girlfriends of all others killed while in police custody.
Why did you bring this ‘left’ aspect to your catchy name? It doesn’t belong there.
Guess what? Mr.rightontheleft,”MURDER” is “MURDER”. Legalized MURDER is out of control.
Did somebody just mention Ian Bush? And then suggest that perhaps his in-custody death was anything but self-defence? I’ve been checking the comments on this site over, and have resisted jumping in, but can refrain from assisting you no longer. Did you see the face of the officer attacked by Ian Bush? What evidence have you heard that would suggest that the shooting of Ian Bush was anything but self-defence? Were you there, perhaps, or is this just more of the conspiracy bunk that litters this website?
O’kay, Mr. rightontheleft: We are not talking about lousy cops! We aren’t even talking about police brutality (that’s a whole different topic).
No, Mr. rightontheleft we are talking about death occuring,resulting from police lack of regard for human life.
The ones dying from the hands of police Mr. rightontheleft are not gang members as one would expect from real police work. They are just every day common citizens,.
IT must be tough looking through a cops book trying to find “MORALS” as you seem to be well – saying everything is AOK.
Yo, ds.
Bro, you’ve got to avoid submitting comments when you’re stoned… nothing you say makes any sense. You come across as a 3-year-old who just yells until he gets his way. Sober up and then, if you’ve got the nerve, read over some of the headscratchers you’ve posted here.
Marijuana is not good for you, ds.
I smell something here. If it isn’t a rat, its kapusta for sure. Kraut in the other language I know. Wychodzcie z podziemia, tchorze! Perhaps if you write in your first language, even Sasquatch won’t be pretending that nothing makes sense to him. Kto zywy, na bagnety! Atakuja nas. Don’t take it lying down. Dziekanski did and look what happened.
Sasquatch? Is that what they’re calling you people, now?
Frank Paul found dead in an alley — where he’d been dumped by police.
Ryan Snopek, 30, found dead in an RCMP holding cell.He died from a brain hemorrhage, which was the result of a fractured skull.
Rcmp Constable charged for leaving a suspected thief 10 km from town after assault
Ian Bush shot in the back of the head by rcmp officer
Robert knipstrom dead after rcmp pepper sprayed,tasered, and applied baton beatings to his head
Dziekanski dead after rcmp taser/choke hold
Canada remains one of the only countries that does NOT have an independent body to investigate police and RCMP brutality, murders.
Mr. rightontheleft/Sasquatch between the 2 of you, this shouldn’t be so tough to figure out
Shreddy;
Czy ty naprawde znasz polski? Or somebody wrote those a few words for you? Bo mozemy przejsc na polski, jesli znasz ten jezyk. Ciekaw jestem, ilu wesolkow z tego blogu oglupimy. Niektorzy brzmieli mi nadwislansko…
Sorry guys, I had to try my Polish here. Please continue.
Jontek;
Sorry, no dice. Can’t tell kapusta from adam. But don’t give up, there will be some Pollacks on this blog, I’m sure. Didn’t Dziekanski die to brink all the Poles out in the open?
George, thank you for your RCMP list of fame. I wonder if those two will figure out anything…
Sasquatch, you should avoid being tasered! Your brain cells are fried!
You ask; ” Did somebody just mention Ian Bush? What evidence have you heard that would suggest that the shooting of Ian Bush was anything but self-defence?”
coroner Shane DeMeyer told the five-member jury to make no finding of blame or fault. Jurors were instructed only to consider making recommendations aimed at preventing similar deaths in the future.
Shreddy, Shreedy’s look-alike, km, George, witchdoctor
You guys are probably so far ahead of me on this, but here goes anyway:
This is a link to an online taser petition
http://www.defendrobert.com/index.php
The police DID try to talk to Robert, consider yourself in the officer’s position:You’re called to an airport, all you know is that there are reports of a violent man breaking property and creating a disturbance. Your superiors are counting on you and the airport is counting on your superiors to diffuse the situation as quickly as possible (keep in mind everyone is still jumpy about terrorists). You approach Robert and try to talk calmly with the expectation that Robert will calm down, but he doesn’t, in fact he becomes more agitated and people are watching. You don’t have time to find a translator and for all you know this man could be telling you he’s going to kill you. You pull out a tazer because it’s quick, non-lethal under normal circumstances, and does not result in collateral damage. Upon seeing the tazer Robert runs from you, and you’re forced to stop him from getting away. After you stun him your fellow officers attempt to restrain him with the hope of de-escalating the situation, but Robert is still not co-operating and now shit has hit the fan, it is decided he needs to be stunned again. He dies shortly after and you’re left with the “should haves” to think about, and the guilt after you find out what the man was actually saying… don’t hate these cops, they are human beings just like Robert, and if they weren’t around to patrol your streets while you criticize them from the comfort of your computer chair you would have much bigger things to worry about.
Darren, you’re living in a dream world.
Look closely at the video from 5:01 to 5:31 and stop making excuses for what is clear case of police brutality at its worst.
There was no “discussion”. The four punk cops surrounded the clearly distraught, tired and aggravated Dziekanski.
They were clearly told he couldn’t speak English. He had no room to run anywhere. They just surrounded him and zapped him with the Taser gun- multiple times!
Look at the clubbing he got between 6:45 and 7:12 while he was handcuffed and screaming on the ground.
These cops are not “human beings” as you stated. They are cowardly punks with guns and billy clubs, who deserve to suffer the retribution of the criminal justice system.
Darren;
Believe it or not, there are good cops and evil cops.
I am surprised at the evil becoming absolutely blatant and it must be addressed as such.
Vancouver police warning that a James Gracie” has been released from prison after a 7 year stint for sexual assaulting children-considered high risk.
Hmmm, there’s a good taser target for those 4 retarded cops
Darren,
Thanks! I haven’t wanted to post on here, because of all the morons on here haha. I’m surprised that people like ds and george can take enough time away from their grow ops to complain about the RCMP. how pathetic is it that they have to sit around and search for something that they can twist and turn into ‘police brutality’ instead of being productive members of society?
mv
I’m interested, what exactly does a productive member of society do in your world?
I get the impression they would have to be Coward Cops paying society back for being picked on in school? Poor control freaks…I suppose one could look at it as not being very sensitive. Too Bad!
You f…ing Coward MV
WTF! You were too scared to comment until a comrad posted first. Typical of you retarded f..ks!
Any wonder why you defend the finest retards in society?
At least Darren has some logic in his post (as weak as it is).
Just learned Constable Koester was attempting to rape Ian Bush. When Ian resisted, Koester shot him in the back of the head.
I have returned to revise my last post. I did not learn that unproven scenerio – it is in fact merely a theory that one citizen has thought in trying to make sense of the rcmp madness.
Places the lack of truth can go is endless. I suppose there will be many scenerio’s (in theory) springing.
unfortunately george, thats what people like ‘ds’ and ‘anti rcmp brutality’ do, they find a small, unproven lie that could destroy someone’s life and then they proclaim it as fact…and demand that someone be held responsible for it. i don’t think that anyone on here knows the truth of what happened at YVR and so they should stop throwing out accusations!! let the rcmp do their job, and go back to doing whatever it is you occupy your time with. ian bush was killed because he was attacking an officer. if you beat up a police officer, you will have to suffer the consequences…thats pretty simple. if you are beating up a cop, chances are you should consider the possibility that they may feel the need to defend themselves. any one of you can go lock yourself in a small room with a hostile, abusive, drunk and see what you do.
Seriously mv,Koester’s self defense claim is far too weak to push on the streets of Canada.No-one knows what actually happened in that room. The other side of the story is buried.
Perhaps it could be the budget of training the rcmp does not allow for proper hand-to-hand combat? I that is the case then Koester should be claiming it-at least it would be believable.
Your advice, People should just do what they do and leave the police alone is what the public was comfortable doing in the day of real Police Work
look at Koester’s face. if he decided not to use his firearm we would have a dead police officer and a very much alive and ready to sue, criminal.
-Ambulance attendants had to wait outside the detachement before they were allowed inside.
-Officers attended the autopsy offering their theories.
-An 8 inch bruise on Bush’s thigh, overlooked.
-At the inquest, rcmp investigators were not allowed to demonstrate how it would be possible for koester to reach behind him and shoot bush in the back of the head.
_when a journalist asked rcmp about contradictory stories, constable John Ward said the public the public doesn’t have a right to know anything (ouch!)
Hmmmm-where there’s smoke there’s usually fire
We are not just a bunch (80% of the population) of gorw op attendees not believing Koester’s lies, mv.
Nope, we just don’t except lies, and cover-ups after a citizen has been shot in the back of the head,nor does a certain population of the rcmp apparantly.
SGT Duncan also testified that he saw no bruising around Koester’s neck that would have been consistent with having been choked; nor did his photos reveal any bruising.
SGT Duncan also said the bullet was found still lodged in Bush’s head – anyone could figure out that a shot within that close of range would have went straight through the head.
SGT Hignell said the scenario was consistent with the blood pattern evidence, but was not the only way it could have occurred. He also stated, “It would not be an easy feat to do this manoeuvre.
mv
Your loyalty to the rcmp is possibly blinding you to the corruption going on?
Hi,
We want to write a few words about the murder of the defenceless man
from our country who was murdered by strangulation, suffoccation and
broken neck at the airport in Vancouver.
He was murdered by murderers, bandits, monsters, beasts, terrorists,
tormentors, torturers, oppressors, psychopaths, mentally sick, druggies,
tampon smokers, fetishists, discriminators, racists, retards, morons,
poo-pooheads, brainwashed, manure, dung, maniacs, idiots, imbeciles,
donkeys, garbage, trash, shit, rats, assholes, dicks, dirty swines, corrupted
swines, dogs, coyotes, pimps; producers, smugglers and dealers of drugs;
pederasts, pedophiles.
The same as above-mentioned terrorized, tortured, tormented
and murdered the Aboriginal-Native People, Chinese, Japanese and other
immigrants and this is happening at present day.
Bye
Think! These murderers burned holes in his body and burned his eye.
This murder was on the base of hate, discrimination and racism.
This murder was premeditated, this murder was ordered, commanded, persuaded
and blackmailed by Border Services officer Adam Chapin.
Only for writing about the facts of the murder of Robert Dziekanski, they want to
murder us Maniac Campbell, Psychopath McGuinty and Monster Fantino, etc…
Sincerely
People , Witness
http://www.RobertDziekanskiFactsOfMurder.blogspot.com
The mother told her son that she would meet him at the baggage area of the airport. Sadly she was incorrect as that is a secured area for international travel. There has to be some responsibility taken by the mother as her son knew no English. She would have been smart to have given him a dictionary that he could have held and pointed to a polish word showing English translation or something to that affect.
The airport security itself has to hold some responsibility as they would have or should have been aware of this man in this area for so long without checking with him and then realizing he did not speak English and in turn should have attempted to locate someone that spoke what would obviously be a European language- not oriental, not french.
However again the mother knew he spoke No English. She would have been a responsible parent had she spent 3 bucks on purchasing a Polish- English dictionary for him where at least people could point out words in attempt to speak with him. That in itself would have also shown anyone offering to help the language he spoke- Polish!
The RCMP were called AFTER HOURS of this man waiting around for his mother and understandably becoming irate.
The airport mishandled this whole event! They should be held accountable- not the RCMP. The mother as well has to accept some responsibility for her sons death in advising him incorrectly that she would meet him at the baggage area.
Whomever she spoke with in an attempt to locate her son if she told them he speaks NO ENGLISH, they should have taken the steps to find someone who works at the airport who did or spoke some Russian whereas a few words here or there would have been understood and therefore the whole situation non-existent.
By the time the RCMP arrived they were dealing with a man who was irate, irrational and totally confused and exhausted. These same events of the individual warrants the RCMP ensuring the safety of the general public and themselves.
Unfortunately, the mother should have explained a heck of a lot more to her son prior to his arrival and also what the RCMP are- police. When we all visit countries that are very different it is our responsibility to ensure we have a general idea of what their culture is and what the word police is in their country as well as hospital. For those who do not take this measure are ignorant and there is no excuse.
I’ve just about had enough of this shit…
The RCMP fucked-up royaly due to incompetent officers in this incident. I can’t believe the Crown doesn’t see grounds for any charges. But then, why should we be surprized… it’s code in law enforcement to stand in defense of others mistakes. I wouldn’t trust these fuckers to look after my dog for a weekend. Power-hungry, descensitied assholes as far as I’m concerned. I laughed as I listened to the testony offered by the officer in today’s inquiry…he hasn’t even yet convinced himself of his testimony…obviously being coached. You’re all a bunch of fucking incompetent assholes who’ll probably escape the wrath of your peers but won’t escape their final judgement. Come clean or I hope you all suffer the same injustice you inflicted on Robert Dziekansjki! Good luck to you assholes!
Agreed, mAndrew.
The Inquiry is revealing the incompetence and lies by the squad of punk, RCMP officers.
All the bullshit about a “stapler”; about the cops being scared of an unarmed man who turns his back on them and throws his hands in the air..what utter rubbish!
This was not an arrest. It was a premeditated execution.