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		<title>By: Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-20473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am not a minority but I can link toÂ someone who is. In a comment on Jack&#8217;s Newswatch, Cynapse (Cynics Unlimited) suggests the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cynics Unlimited &#187; Can a Minority Be a True Conservative?</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-20431</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynics Unlimited &#187; Can a Minority Be a True Conservative?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] join the Victim-Beggar Complex in reaction to right-wing negativity. To do so would virtually prove them right and only add to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crux-of-the-Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time to change our &#8220;entitlement culture&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-20117</link>
		<dc:creator>Crux-of-the-Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time to change our &#8220;entitlement culture&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like to say no, but actions speak louder than words. Cynapse, at Cynics Unlimited, ran an excellent article the other day titled &#8220;The Victim-Beggar Complex.&#8221;Â He explains why all the usual [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to say no, but actions speak louder than words. Cynapse, at Cynics Unlimited, ran an excellent article the other day titled &#8220;The Victim-Beggar Complex.&#8221;Â He explains why all the usual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-20049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like to say no, but actions speak louder than words. Cynapse, at Cynics Unlimited, ran an excellent article the other day titled &#8220;The Victim-Beggar Complex.&#8221;Â He explains why all the usual [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to say no, but actions speak louder than words. Cynapse, at Cynics Unlimited, ran an excellent article the other day titled &#8220;The Victim-Beggar Complex.&#8221;Â He explains why all the usual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-20043</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m South African, not Canadian - and I work for an NGO.  A lot of valid points are made here.  But redress is often needed for groups that have ended up in a social and economic tailspin.  In addition, government institutionalism (doing things the same old way and having career success de-linked from results) often prevents it being an effective means to that redress.

The key here - which you mention - is that the government must be able to stipulate concrete results within a reasonable period.  Just as a business takes time to become profitable, an organisation takes time to turn a new concept into results.  But it doesn&#039;t take forever.  Nor is it ever &quot;impossible to quantify&quot; the work that an organisation does.  Even building self-esteem must result in something - improved school performance, reduction of violence or substance abuse - with all kinds of hard measures that are available if they look hard enough.  Otherwise it frankly isn&#039;t worth the money.  The results must also be cost-effective.  Spending $1000,000 per child for a 1% improvement in school results or post-school income is clearly not money well spent - find someone else who can do more with the money.

I have also been shocked by the willingness of government to hand out money demanding outputs (work completed) rather than outcomes (benefits obtained).  This is the key.  When they yowl about racism or ignoring communities, the government can respond with, &quot;failed to improve agreed indicators over a period of x years at a cost of y to the taxpayer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m South African, not Canadian &#8211; and I work for an NGO.  A lot of valid points are made here.  But redress is often needed for groups that have ended up in a social and economic tailspin.  In addition, government institutionalism (doing things the same old way and having career success de-linked from results) often prevents it being an effective means to that redress.</p>
<p>The key here &#8211; which you mention &#8211; is that the government must be able to stipulate concrete results within a reasonable period.  Just as a business takes time to become profitable, an organisation takes time to turn a new concept into results.  But it doesn&#8217;t take forever.  Nor is it ever &#8220;impossible to quantify&#8221; the work that an organisation does.  Even building self-esteem must result in something &#8211; improved school performance, reduction of violence or substance abuse &#8211; with all kinds of hard measures that are available if they look hard enough.  Otherwise it frankly isn&#8217;t worth the money.  The results must also be cost-effective.  Spending $1000,000 per child for a 1% improvement in school results or post-school income is clearly not money well spent &#8211; find someone else who can do more with the money.</p>
<p>I have also been shocked by the willingness of government to hand out money demanding outputs (work completed) rather than outcomes (benefits obtained).  This is the key.  When they yowl about racism or ignoring communities, the government can respond with, &#8220;failed to improve agreed indicators over a period of x years at a cost of y to the taxpayer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Keightley</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-19953</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Keightley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really helpful piece showing the difference as it does exist between the Conservatives (our present gov&#039;t demonstrating &#039;compassionate conservatism&#039; such as the newly instituted policy in the budget to help parents of disabled children, et.al) -- as they have absolutely demonstrated good fiscal management while finally realizing tax relief for working families and seniors.  Put that up against the Liberal gov&#039;t of thirteen years, where taxes were piggybacked one on top of another on citizens, yet, the rhetoric always served the socialist agenda (their orgs and staff - i.e., SOW), while their clients were just names on lists with gov&#039;t money, therefore aid never hitting the target.  

You&#039;ve broken the two parties&#039; agendas up for anyone to read and understand.  Let readers think which party will serve our citizens more justly, fairly, equitably while promoting self-worth and reliance.  Canadians are more aware than ever of the enormity of our geography, our commerce and industries across all provinces and territories and citizens are responding to the calls across the regions.  At the same time, our gov&#039;t has worked long and hard on rising crime rates and threats from abroad within our borders.  There&#039;s a record of progress we reviewed just recently and it&#039;s thanks to Sandy, Jack and Cynapse, Conservatives are getting on top of the issues.  What&#039;s really important as in Cynapse&#039; piece, is to COMPARE the choices the various parties offer the country.  I know I&#039;ve made my choice, based on what I&#039;ve learned and about 24 people I know will vote for the better choice (Conservatives) come provincial election this October.  And we&#039;ll bide our time till the federal election.  Based on what we&#039;ve witnessed, we&#039;re prepared to support PM Stephen Harper and his PRESENT TEAM all the way...

Kudos to these political bloggers for the clear direction, valid arguments, and even providing a sense of hopefulness for our collective future as probably the most fortunate country in the world, that&#039;s been &quot;pulled out of a lot of trouble for a couple of decades&quot; (almost brought us down, actually).  The choice we can make for the future has become just that much clearer.

Thanks much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really helpful piece showing the difference as it does exist between the Conservatives (our present gov&#8217;t demonstrating &#8216;compassionate conservatism&#8217; such as the newly instituted policy in the budget to help parents of disabled children, et.al) &#8212; as they have absolutely demonstrated good fiscal management while finally realizing tax relief for working families and seniors.  Put that up against the Liberal gov&#8217;t of thirteen years, where taxes were piggybacked one on top of another on citizens, yet, the rhetoric always served the socialist agenda (their orgs and staff &#8211; i.e., SOW), while their clients were just names on lists with gov&#8217;t money, therefore aid never hitting the target.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve broken the two parties&#8217; agendas up for anyone to read and understand.  Let readers think which party will serve our citizens more justly, fairly, equitably while promoting self-worth and reliance.  Canadians are more aware than ever of the enormity of our geography, our commerce and industries across all provinces and territories and citizens are responding to the calls across the regions.  At the same time, our gov&#8217;t has worked long and hard on rising crime rates and threats from abroad within our borders.  There&#8217;s a record of progress we reviewed just recently and it&#8217;s thanks to Sandy, Jack and Cynapse, Conservatives are getting on top of the issues.  What&#8217;s really important as in Cynapse&#8217; piece, is to COMPARE the choices the various parties offer the country.  I know I&#8217;ve made my choice, based on what I&#8217;ve learned and about 24 people I know will vote for the better choice (Conservatives) come provincial election this October.  And we&#8217;ll bide our time till the federal election.  Based on what we&#8217;ve witnessed, we&#8217;re prepared to support PM Stephen Harper and his PRESENT TEAM all the way&#8230;</p>
<p>Kudos to these political bloggers for the clear direction, valid arguments, and even providing a sense of hopefulness for our collective future as probably the most fortunate country in the world, that&#8217;s been &#8220;pulled out of a lot of trouble for a couple of decades&#8221; (almost brought us down, actually).  The choice we can make for the future has become just that much clearer.</p>
<p>Thanks much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-19949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hit it exactly right today as he pointed out something that people should heed. &#8220;No matter that the question was, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
		<link>http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/07/10/the-victim-beggar-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-19943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are several reasons why I voted for Steven Harper, most having to do with fiscal issues and disappointment in Paul Martinâ€™s leadership. However one not mentioned within my immediate blogging circle is that most conservative governments temporarily disrupt the victim-beggar complex. The socialist equivalent of the military-industrial complex, the victim beggar complex essentially writes its own tickets by proclaiming impending doom for specific minority groups in hopes of obtaining government money. They claim to exist because of injustice and to not fund them would be to perpetuate the injustice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are several reasons why I voted for Steven Harper, most having to do with fiscal issues and disappointment in Paul Martinâ€™s leadership. However one not mentioned within my immediate blogging circle is that most conservative governments temporarily disrupt the victim-beggar complex. The socialist equivalent of the military-industrial complex, the victim beggar complex essentially writes its own tickets by proclaiming impending doom for specific minority groups in hopes of obtaining government money. They claim to exist because of injustice and to not fund them would be to perpetuate the injustice. [...]</p>
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